The Pope's Encyclical

[All Tell]

This could make for some interesting relationships. Francis has now come out as a full on socialist tree hugger.

 

Pelosi, Biden and Kerry will love that. (Kerry maybe not so much because he's one of the evil rich Francis pretty much condemned)

 

HOWEVER

 

He's still on the record as staunchly anti-abortion, opposed to gay marriage and unwilling to discuss women in the priesthood.

 

How will the leftys claim him as one of their own on one set of issues while fighting him on others?

 

Pope Urges Revolution to save the Earth and fix Perverse Economy

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[thehotsnakes]

I was unaware that one had to agree with someone on everything. But I'm not catholic, so I guess that's why.

 

I couldn't name a single opinion the Pope has on an issue, except I'm assuming contraception is still a HUGE deal.

 

I get the Pope, but a majority of the world isn't Catholic. So I don't fully understand his relevance to other people.

[Getslow]

I was unaware that one had to agree with someone on everything. But I'm not catholic, so I guess that's why.

 

I couldn't name a single opinion the Pope has on an issue, except I'm assuming contraception is still a HUGE deal.

 

I get the Pope, but a majority of the world isn't Catholic. So I don't fully understand his relevance to other people.

 

There are roughly a billion of us. What he says ultimately does have consequences in a big way.

[InItToWinIt]

I have not read the encyclical, but I highly highly doubt the Pope is a "full on socialist tree hugger."

 

People on the left paint this "beautiful picture" of Pope Francis as taking a "new, loving, and open attitude" towards gays, atheists, the poor, etc. This is absolutely false, as Pope Francis has not (and cannot) changed ANY Church teaching.

 

The Church has always encouraged work for and been open to the poor, and has been open to gays and believes atheists can go to heaven. Someone is going to call me out and say that "well in the Middle Ages the Church blah blah blah..." but the fact of the matter is, in everyone on this site's lifetime, the Church has not changed attitude on the mentioned issues.

[Getslow]

This could make for some interesting relationships. Francis has now come out as a full on socialist tree hugger.

 

Pelosi, Biden and Kerry will love that. (Kerry maybe not so much because he's one of the evil rich Francis pretty much condemned)

 

HOWEVER

 

He's still on the record as staunchly anti-abortion, opposed to gay marriage and unwilling to discuss women in the priesthood.

 

How will the leftys claim him as one of their own on one set of issues while fighting him on others?

 

Pope Urges Revolution to save the Earth and fix Perverse Economy

 

I didn't read the article because I loathe the way the major media outlets cover the Vatican and I'm sure they likely missed the point of the whole thing.

 

Nor have I read "Laudato Si" yet, so I'll withhold judgment for the time being.

 

Nonetheless, despite Francis' occasional forays toward Liberation Theology, I think it's a mistake to label him a socialist at this point. The Church's position has long been that elements of socialism and of capitalism can be at odds with the dignity that ought to be afforded to God's creation, especially humans. It's a mistake to think that the endorsement of one principle of one of those philosophies is an endorsement of the other. Similary, it's an error to believe that a condemnation of one element of one philosophy is an endorsement of the other.

 

I'm looking forward to reading the encyclical. The best description of it I've read was in a blog entry from a few days ago that said "just as the church once addressed the evils of Communism and Socialism with the Catholic vision for labor, so must the Church address the evil of radical environmentalism with the Catholic understanding of the environment."

 

That's what I'll be looking for in the encyclical, not the Associate Press's warped interpretations.

[Twotoplace]

This could make for some interesting relationships. Francis has now come out as a full on socialist tree hugger.

 

Pelosi, Biden and Kerry will love that. (Kerry maybe not so much because he's one of the evil rich Francis pretty much condemned)

 

HOWEVER

 

He's still on the record as staunchly anti-abortion, opposed to gay marriage and unwilling to discuss women in the priesthood.

 

How will the leftys claim him as one of their own on one set of issues while fighting him on others?

 

Pope Urges Revolution to save the Earth and fix Perverse Economy

All Tell: Have you taken the St. Francis pledge yet to care for creation and the poor?

 

Catholic Climate Covenant - Home

[Trinity alum]

I didn't read the article because I loathe the way the major media outlets cover the Vatican and I'm sure they likely missed the point of the whole thing.

 

Nor have I read "Laudato Si" yet, so I'll withhold judgment for the time being.

 

Nonetheless, despite Francis' occasional forays toward Liberation Theology, I think it's a mistake to label him a socialist at this point. The Church's position has long been that elements of socialism and of capitalism can be at odds with the dignity that ought to be afforded to God's creation, especially humans. It's a mistake to think that the endorsement of one principle of one of those philosophies is an endorsement of the other. Similary, it's an error to believe that a condemnation of one element of one philosophy is an endorsement of the other.

 

I'm looking forward to reading the encyclical. The best description of it I've read was in a blog entry from a few days ago that said "just as the church once addressed the evils of Communism and Socialism with the Catholic vision for labor, so must the Church address the evil of radical environmentalism with the Catholic understanding of the environment."

 

That's what I'll be looking for in the encyclical, not the Associate Press's warped interpretations.

I think the article gives the Pope very reasonable treatment.

[All Tell]

All Tell: Have you taken the St. Francis pledge yet to care for creation and the poor?

 

Catholic Climate Covenant - Home

 

Have you taken the pledge to stop taking any actions that reduce you're tax liability in any way? I'm sure you fave increasing tax revenue.

[Bluegrasscard]

All Tell: Have you taken the St. Francis pledge yet to care for creation and the poor?

 

Catholic Climate Covenant - Home

 

Climate change has far more to do with God than man. So Catholics and other religious organizations should have some pull with the 'source' of the concern.

[Colonels_Wear_Blue]

11 Things You Probably Won’t Hear about Pope Francis’ Encyclical

I haven't yet gotten through the entirety of the encyclical, but this is definitely worth checking out. It contained a lot more insight than literally every single other one of than the simplistic summaries you'll come across in the mainstream media.

[Twotoplace]

Climate change has far more to do with God than man. So Catholics and other religious organizations should have some pull with the 'source' of the concern.

Your response made me chuckle. Having said that, I do believe the holy father's encyclical only addresses man's role in this earth-pollution business.

[All Tell]

So you agree with the Holy Father's encyclical?

[Twotoplace]

So you agree with the Holy Father's encyclical?

The "socialist tree hugger" pope (your words) certainly is on the right course. Can approval of birth-control be far away? I think not.

[All Tell]

His views on overpopulation and abortion would say that you're probably wrong about that too.

 

(50) Instead of resolving the problems of the poor and thinking of how the world can be different, some can only propose a reduction in the birth rate. At times, developing countries face forms of international pressure which make economic assistance contingent on certain policies of “reproductive health.” Yet “while it is true that an unequal distribution of the population and of available resources creates obstacles to development and a sustainable use of the environment, it must nonetheless be recognized that demographic growth is fully compatible with an integral and shared development.” To blame population growth instead of extreme and selective consumerism on the part of some, is one way of refusing to face the issues.

(120) Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? “If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away.”

[Twotoplace]

The Vatican's view of abortion need not change, but with roughly 7 of 8 Catholic women using birth control, something's going to give on that front.