Interesting perspective. So it's one man holding up the whole thing?

 

Isn't there a school board? What about the alumni? And the Bishop?

 

I mean, if it was such an overwhelming slam-dunk of an idea, surely others would band together and make it happen, couldn't they? Or could they?

 

Why do you think the principal is so against it?

 

-CardinalsFan

 

Ask around those who are in the know at St. Henry. I think you will find that I am right. Why he is so against football, I don't know.

When St.Henry was looking to build their new school in mid 90's it was to be the Boone County school for the diocese. I voiced that they should build at/behind St.Tim's (where there is diocesean land) and be a true Boone county school. Think big. Had bussing available from the Ryle area. Football and other sports would have excelled. They decided to barely cross the county line and build where they did so it wouldn't take away from the old St.Henry. What could of been...Boone County Catholic.

Correct, It should of been built in the heart of Boone Co maybe closer to IHM. Getting off topic......Broosart will survive but they have to get past this year, play a jv schedule for a couple years, then 1A. As sad as Holy Cross has been since their state championship don't be surprised if they follow the same path in a couple years.

I don't think they will have to play a JV schedule after this year, IMO this would be the year to do that, although I'm glad they aren't. Like you said survive this year and year build intrest and promote the program since it will be back in 1A next year. Getting moved to 2A almost killed the progrom but its good to see there is still life and I'm looking forward to finding out who the new coach is going to be!

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So what would or are the sanctions the NKAC could have brought against Brossart?

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I thought the impetus for suppressing football at St. Henry was to preserve the excellence of the soccer program?

I thought the impetus for suppressing football at St. Henry was to preserve the excellence of the soccer program?

 

That's always what I was told. I've heard that from more than a few folks from within the SHDHS community as well.

Brossart opened football to raise attendance, the plan was doomed from the beginning.

When you say "offered up on a silver platter by interested boosters and parents", what does that mean?

 

Does it mean they were willing to kick in the money to jumpstart the program with equipment?

Does it mean they had a set of qualified coaches ready to volunteer their time to help offset startup costs?

Or, Does it mean they were sick of hearing about St. Henry not having a football team from their Covington Catholic neighbors?

 

Would love to hear more.

 

-CardinalsFan

 

Meaning-

 

Several years ago, a presentation was made detailing all the initial capital and yearly expense needed; projected income etc. Had corporate sponsors lined up prepared to provide the initial hit in equipment, gear etc. Seemed like a slam dunk presentation to most and everyone left the meeting informed and excited. All that was left was for Otte to agree- and he said no.

 

Great school academically- but they have their athletic sacred cows- 1) Cross Country and Track 2) Girls Volleyball 3) then everything else. Too many Track, Baseball, Soccer coaches afraid that football would take away from their sports IMO.

 

Sorry to hijack the Brossart thread.

Where would this new building be? How would it be paid for? What becomes of the current campuses? If it where to be built in Cold Spring they would loose most of the inner city kids for sure, and if it were built in ,say, Southgate they would loose a lot of county kids. The area it would cover is way too large and both schools have roots that would not allow it. Theoretically sounds good but WAY too many hurdles for it to happen.

 

As for raising funds, NewCath is on prime time real estate.

Meaning-

 

Several years ago, a presentation was made detailing all the initial capital and yearly expense needed; projected income etc. Had corporate sponsors lined up prepared to provide the initial hit in equipment, gear etc. Seemed like a slam dunk presentation to most and everyone left the meeting informed and excited. All that was left was for Otte to agree- and he said no.

 

Great school academically- but they have their athletic sacred cows- 1) Cross Country and Track 2) Girls Volleyball 3) then everything else. Too many Track, Baseball, Soccer coaches afraid that football would take away from their sports IMO.

 

Sorry to hijack the Brossart thread.

Good information.

 

Not really hijacking as I think they are intertwined really. Having football at a small school is difficult. The troubles at Brossart and apparently the recent struggles at Holy Cross prove that out. Beechwood and NewCath have centered a good deal of their athletic focus on football and it has helped. But schools like Brossart and St. Henry are clearly the places to be for the cross-country/soccer/track/girls volleyball crowds.

 

-CardinalsFan

I think one other thing to realize also is there is only so much football talent out there in Northern Kentucky. Brossart is limited with its general area where it gets students/athletes from, Southern and Central Campbell County, where basketball and soccer interest seems stronger, and not a large amount of football talent is around. Drawing from Pendleton County really does not help much either since they are struggling to keep a program as well.

Brossart opened football to raise attendance, the plan was doomed from the beginning.

 

While not an "insider" at BBHS, but still rather close to the school & it's sports programs; I can't imagine they started football to raise attendance?? The move to start football went back to the late 90's, and I'm guessing, was due to the success of their other sport's programs, along with a look to the future growth of the school. It was tabled back then, and IMO, that played a critical role in where they stand today.

 

The root cause of today's football dilemma comes down to a couple of items--"Timing" and "How" they started the program!!

 

The "Timing" in the sense of when they started football, and The "How" in the rush to play in District Play vs. allowing the program to "grow into" District play, similar to the model Walton Verona followed.

 

"Timing"--Had they started football in the late 90's or early 2000's, IMO they'd have been very successful. Many factors were more in their favor during that timeframe than when they actually got around to getting it off the ground. Many of BBHS's most athletic (and larger) classes came through the school from the late 90's until 2007. While no one can say with certainty how many of those kids would have played football, there was defiantly a larger pool of athletes during that timeframe. Campbell County football was in a bit of disarray, and certainly didn't have the enthusiastic support it currently enjoys. This was before the late Bush/Obama economies and attendance was higher as well.

 

"How"--IMO they made some fatal moves early on that helped speed the path to their current state, starting with the early coaching issues. If I remember correctly they went through 3 Head Coaches within the first few weeks--First one was denied employment by the Diocese nearing summer practice, 2nd quit after a week due to some overzealous parental intervention at summer practice, and the third was obtained at the last minute when it was hard to find a quality staff. Instead of starting with a core of younger players and playing a freshman schedule, then moving along in competition as they grow older, and backfilling with additional sets of younger players; they went straight into district play their 2nd year I believe with a pretty young & thin roster? Had they "started slow", grown the youth program, and allowed the support & numbers to grow, they'd have ultimately had more success, again IMO. The coaching carousel that resulted certainly didn't help, and the unfortunate reclassifying to the smallest 2-A school (due to a temporary attendance spike a couple years earlier) was a killer.

 

While the philosophy of building by going after the 2nd & 3rd tier of football kids (kids from BBHS feeder schools by the way), that would have sat the bench for most if not all their careers at NCC, or those not interested in playing at Campbell, which was still in a bit of disarray; was probably sound thinking in the beginning, but the move to 2-A (with NCC) and Campbell's program's resurgence in popularity were killers.

 

Where to go from here?? My thoughts would be to probably "blow it up & start over" to some degree. I thought the original plan to go back to an independent schedule for a couple of years and regroup was a good one, but needed to be finalized at the end of last season when they knew they were graduating 9 Senior kids from a roster that was essentially in the high teens the last few games. Waiting until this summer (and a total regime change) is going to cause one of two things--A group of other 2-A district foes rightfully upset with the resulting scheduling voids, or some sacrificial lambs if they try to play the 2-A schedule with 16 kids.

 

Ideally, they should go back to the beginning, build a team from the ground up with middle school & freshman aged kids interested in committing to football for all four years. Put together a strong foundation in youth football (which they've had going for the last couple years), and move to 1-A District play when those kids are upperclassmen. Find & retain a solid staff committed to the future & willing to take time to "Build" a program.

 

The economy is ever so slowly coming back, and the moratorium on building in the Alexandria area is lifted. A new 1200+ home subdivision is under way in A-Town, and there is other growth expected in current developments farther south in the County. Any growth in Campbell County will be to the South! Certainly a good portion of these new families would be interested in a Catholic education for their children, so the future growth potential is bright. BBHS owns the property for a sports' complex, and with some support could make that happen rather quickly I'm told. The new principal will be a shot in the arm IMO, and one who seem to have an interest in growing a quality football program.

 

The future of BBHS football can be bright, but they need to start from the ground up again; and avoid the mistakes of the past. Go Mustangs!!

While not an "insider" at BBHS, but still rather close to the school & it's sports programs; I can't imagine they started football to raise attendance?? The move to start football went back to the late 90's, and I'm guessing, was due to the success of their other sport's programs, along with a look to the future growth of the school. It was tabled back then, and IMO, that played a critical role in where they stand today.

 

The root cause of today's football dilemma comes down to a couple of items--"Timing" and "How" they started the program!!

 

The "Timing" in the sense of when they started football, and The "How" in the rush to play in District Play vs. allowing the program to "grow into" District play, similar to the model Walton Verona followed.

 

"Timing"--Had they started football in the late 90's or early 2000's, IMO they'd have been very successful. Many factors were more in their favor during that timeframe than when they actually got around to getting it off the ground. Many of BBHS's most athletic (and larger) classes came through the school from the late 90's until 2007. While no one can say with certainty how many of those kids would have played football, there was defiantly a larger pool of athletes during that timeframe. Campbell County football was in a bit of disarray, and certainly didn't have the enthusiastic support it currently enjoys. This was before the late Bush/Obama economies and attendance was higher as well.

 

"How"--IMO they made some fatal moves early on that helped speed the path to their current state, starting with the early coaching issues. If I remember correctly they went through 3 Head Coaches within the first few weeks--First one was denied employment by the Diocese nearing summer practice, 2nd quit after a week due to some overzealous parental intervention at summer practice, and the third was obtained at the last minute when it was hard to find a quality staff. Instead of starting with a core of younger players and playing a freshman schedule, then moving along in competition as they grow older, and backfilling with additional sets of younger players; they went straight into district play their 2nd year I believe with a pretty young & thin roster? Had they "started slow", grown the youth program, and allowed the support & numbers to grow, they'd have ultimately had more success, again IMO. The coaching carousel that resulted certainly didn't help, and the unfortunate reclassifying to the smallest 2-A school (due to a temporary attendance spike a couple years earlier) was a killer.

 

While the philosophy of building by going after the 2nd & 3rd tier of football kids (kids from BBHS feeder schools by the way), that would have sat the bench for most if not all their careers at NCC, or those not interested in playing at Campbell, which was still in a bit of disarray; was probably sound thinking in the beginning, but the move to 2-A (with NCC) and Campbell's program's resurgence in popularity were killers.

 

Where to go from here?? My thoughts would be to probably "blow it up & start over" to some degree. I thought the original plan to go back to an independent schedule for a couple of years and regroup was a good one, but needed to be finalized at the end of last season when they knew they were graduating 9 Senior kids from a roster that was essentially in the high teens the last few games. Waiting until this summer (and a total regime change) is going to cause one of two things--A group of other 2-A district foes rightfully upset with the resulting scheduling voids, or some sacrificial lambs if they try to play the 2-A schedule with 16 kids.

 

Ideally, they should go back to the beginning, build a team from the ground up with middle school & freshman aged kids interested in committing to football for all four years. Put together a strong foundation in youth football (which they've had going for the last couple years), and move to 1-A District play when those kids are upperclassmen. Find & retain a solid staff committed to the future & willing to take time to "Build" a program.

 

The economy is ever so slowly coming back, and the moratorium on building in the Alexandria area is lifted. A new 1200+ home subdivision is under way in A-Town, and there is other growth expected in current developments farther south in the County. Any growth in Campbell County will be to the South! Certainly a good portion of these new families would be interested in a Catholic education for their children, so the future growth potential is bright. BBHS owns the property for a sports' complex, and with some support could make that happen rather quickly I'm told. The new principal will be a shot in the arm IMO, and one who seem to have an interest in growing a quality football program.

 

The future of BBHS football can be bright, but they need to start from the ground up again; and avoid the mistakes of the past. Go Mustangs!!

 

While not an "insider" at BBHS' date=' but still rather close to the school & it's sports programs; I can't imagine they started football to raise attendance?? The move to start football went back to the late 90's, and I'm guessing, was due to the success of their other sport's programs, along with a look to the future growth of the school. It was tabled back then, and IMO, that played a critical role in where they stand today. The root cause of today's football dilemma comes down to a couple of items--"Timing" and "How" they started the program!! The "Timing" in the sense of when they started football, and The "How" in the rush to play in District Play vs. allowing the program to "grow into" District play, similar to the model Walton Verona followed. "Timing"--Had they started football in the late 90's or early 2000's, IMO they'd have been very successful. Many factors were more in their favor during that timeframe than when they actually got around to getting it off the ground. Many of BBHS's most athletic (and larger) classes came through the school from the late 90's until 2007. While no one can say with certainty how many of those kids would have played football, there was defiantly a larger pool of athletes during that timeframe. Campbell County football was in a bit of disarray, and certainly didn't have the enthusiastic support it currently enjoys. This was before the late Bush/Obama economies and attendance was higher as well. "How"--IMO they made some fatal moves early on that helped speed the path to their current state, starting with the early coaching issues. If I remember correctly they went through 3 Head Coaches within the first few weeks--First one was denied employment by the Diocese nearing summer practice, 2nd quit after a week due to some overzealous parental intervention at summer practice, and the third was obtained at the last minute when it was hard to find a quality staff. Instead of starting with a core of younger players and playing a freshman schedule, then moving along in competition as they grow older, and backfilling with additional sets of younger players; they went straight into district play their 2nd year I believe with a pretty young & thin roster? Had they "started slow", grown the youth program, and allowed the support & numbers to grow, they'd have ultimately had more success, again IMO. The coaching carousel that resulted certainly didn't help, and the unfortunate reclassifying to the smallest 2-A school (due to a temporary attendance spike a couple years earlier) was a killer. While the philosophy of building by going after the 2nd & 3rd tier of football kids (kids from BBHS feeder schools by the way), that would have sat the bench for most if not all their careers at NCC, or those not interested in playing at Campbell, which was still in a bit of disarray; was probably sound thinking in the beginning, but the move to 2-A (with NCC) and Campbell's program's resurgence in popularity were killers. Where to go from here?? My thoughts would be to probably "blow it up & start over" to some degree. I thought the original plan to go back to an independent schedule for a couple of years and regroup was a good one, but needed to be finalized at the end of last season when they knew they were graduating 9 Senior kids from a roster that was essentially in the high teens the last few games. Waiting until this summer (and a total regime change) is going to cause one of two things--A group of other 2-A district foes rightfully upset with the resulting scheduling voids, or some sacrificial lambs if they try to play the 2-A schedule with 16 kids. Ideally, they should go back to the beginning, build a team from the ground up with middle school & freshman aged kids interested in committing to football for all four years. Put together a strong foundation in youth football (which they've had going for the last couple years), and move to 1-A District play when those kids are upperclassmen. Find & retain a solid staff committed to the future & willing to take time to "Build" a program. The economy is ever so slowly coming back, and the moratorium on building in the Alexandria area is lifted. A new 1200+ home subdivision is under way in A-Town, and there is other growth expected in current developments farther south in the County. Any growth in Campbell County will be to the South! Certainly a good portion of these new families would be interested in a Catholic education for their children, so the future growth potential is bright. BBHS owns the property for a sports' complex, and with some support could make that happen rather quickly I'm told. The new principal will be a shot in the arm IMO, and one who seem to have an interest in growing a quality football program. The future of BBHS football can be bright, but they need to start from the ground up again; and avoid the mistakes of the past. Go Mustangs!![/quote']

 

They sent a letter out asking what would create more interest in the school and football was the overwhelming response. At the time of the football inception, attendance was way down and still might be today.