Sport is supposed to be competition. And when the competition is over you show that by shaking hands to close out the competition. This action is very much a part of physical sports where players have beaten each other for 2 - 3 hours. Football, hockey are the best examples. The handshakes closes the event and it seems helps ensure that the competition does not extend to the parking lot or beyond.

 

The action of not holding post-game handshakes may (note 'may') result in more 'get even' actions outside the fences or gym.

 

This was not handled well at all on many fronts it seems.

Sooooo, what will the KHSAA levy as the penatly for these godforsaken handshakes?

 

I hope it is $ fines, this way they will make plenty of money off of the sportsmen/sportswomen:thumb:

 

Only fines if there is trouble, they can still shake hands.

I'm glad they stopped it, players were being forced to shake hands and it was a pitiful site to watch. Some players would make gestures at others, and sometimes I've witnessed fights that started from the handshake at the end of the game. It's not worth it and the players couldn't care less.

 

 

Yes, it's sad to see sportsmanship taken out but if they've reached high school and have little to no sportsmanship then the KHSAA mandate of shaking hands isn't going to change them. It starts a lot earlier than that.

 

 

 

You learn values and sportsmanship in little league and anymore coaches and parents make it more competitive and kids are pitted against each other.

Only fines if there is trouble, they can still shake hands.

 

Well this whole news release is plain assinine then. Wouldn't there had been fines and suspensions if there was trouble before this new rule?

 

So, it will be left up to the individual player to walk off a court or field of play and not shake a hand even know the rest of the team acknowledges and shakes their opponents hand.

 

Wow!!! Seems like a me feel good thingy....JMO

Well this whole news release is plain assinine then. Wouldn't there had been fines and suspensions if there was trouble before this new rule?

 

So, it will be left up to the individual player to walk off a court or field of play and not shake a hand even know the rest of the team acknowledges and shakes their opponents hand.

 

Wow!!! Seems like a me feel good thingy....JMO

 

Part of it did that Refs had no responsibility after games and supervision falls all on the schools administration.

 

Yes it was possible to get fines but now it is in the memo to let all schools know.

If respect and sportsmanship aren't happening during the game, what makes anyone think that the postgame handshake will change things? If respect and sportsmanship ARE being demonstrated during the game, what does a post game handshake do to make it any different?

Just make it like the pros and college. just run out to the middle and shake who ever's hand you want to. Granted this could have some pretty bad outcomes as well.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, all involved in contests seem to be more aggressive immediately after the contests are concluded and winning with honor and dignity (and losing the same way) doesn’t seem to be being instilled across the board.

 

Isn't the above part of the coach's job? And shouldn't it be the KHSAA's job to make sure that this is going on?

 

It’s really that simple. Sportsmanship and civility remain hallmark values. It is my hope that all schools can provide the proper supervision and accountability to continue these types of activities. But if they can’t, then stop doing them.

 

I know this may be a jump, but what if the fights continue and eventually they say the bolded statements about interscholastic sports in Ky.

By that stance teachers with unruly students shouldn't be a teacher then?

 

Not true. Teachers are forced to have students. Coaches have the choice to have kids on the team or not.

I think that if a coach lets one of his players get all big head after a win and start letting that player(s) be unsportsmanlike to the other team (losing team), I think if I'm the school administration, I have a sit down with that coach and tell him to either put a stop to it or he's out the door. How is letting a kid be unsportsmanlike to another team help them prepare for life after high school? The school would get a bad name if they let behavior like that occur and not do something about it.

 

 

Estill County usually has 3 or 4 police officers on the field after each game and on the basketball court after each game.

OK...OK...I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I'm a numbers guy.......

 

I believe I read that this is being brought about because of the "abundance of incidences" .......apparently this is defined as 12 incidences over the past 3 years.....

 

Let's look at the numbers.....

 

On another website they list 221 Ky schools to choose from. Let's say only 150 have football teams....and it appears that the avg season is 10 games, not counting scrimmages.........that alone is 750 games a year (times two teams)......(2250 over 3 years)

 

soccer....200 teams X 15 (most play at least 18 per year but in case some smaller schools don't) so 1500 games (4500 over 3 years)

 

V'ball......50 teams (take the boys out and be conservative)....Looks like 30 games is the norm......so 750 matches (2250 over 3 years)

 

So for the past 3 years:

 

Football 2250 games

ADD

Soccer 4500 matches

ADD

V'Ball 2250 matches

 

For these 3 sports for VARSITY alone, for the past 3 years....9500 match ups......

 

Reportedly, this new policy is brought about because of 12 incidents over this time.....

 

That is 1 incident every 791.6 games.......(12/9500) Varsity only...

I didn't add in wrestling because I'm not familiar with how many schools actually have teams......but if you would, the number is actually higher.

 

IMHO.....1 incident every 791.6 + games is not the definition of "abundant." Again, add in JV and Freshman numbers and this number could possibly triple.....

 

 

I have a feeling that one of the KHSAA decision makers went to a game and saw one of these rare incidents and it jumped to the top of the list without research being done. What is the national average? Heck, Ky may be the best in the Country for all we know......or the worst.

 

Also....If there are only 12 incidences....is one school involved more than once (district, region?) Just sounds as if KHSAA is treating every school as they are guilty of this instead of addressing the individual RARE incidences....

 

Quit frankly, the negative publicity that this is receiving (just saw a special report on Channel 19 news at 5:20 am.) is doing much more harm than good. It really makes it look as if Ky Sports are out of control........

 

Whomever brought this forward should be brought back on a shorter leash......IMHO.

Edited October 9, 201313 yr by Oldtimebaseball84

^ Those are just the reported incidents. There are all kinds of incidents that are never reported to the KHSAA because you simply dont know how they will rule

^ Those are just the reported incidents. There are all kinds of incidents that are never reported to the KHSAA because you simply dont know how they will rule

 

The KHSAA reported the numbers though, so why wouldn't you use the number the KHSAA threw out?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't look at it as sportsmanship alone, I look at it as respect. I see a lot of people could care less about the handshake, and the act of the handshake may just be that, an action, but to me it is more than that. It's one of life's lessons to teach respect of others. I guess I'm old fashioned.

 

I have nothing against anyone who doesn't think the handshake should be a part of the games. I just think the meaning behind it has been lost with the mentality of football or any other sport isn't a game but a war and the players on the other teams are to be thought of as the enemy etc. IT is just a game in the end and it's participants are people after the same goal, to win. After the final whistle, the game is over and it's time to move on, not hold grudges. The handshake is just a sign of respect from one athlete to another athlete who they have competed against.

I think you have just described the U.S. Congress.

I wonder if one's position on this issue is based on age, with the older folks wanting the handshakes and the younger ones saying do away with them? Maybe it is a sign of the lack of civiity that prevails in modern society.

Edited October 9, 201313 yr by tcjkbt