ColonelCrazy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I was at dinner and didn't get to watch the game very closely. Dusty let Latos hit and then pulled him? Is he that concerned about saving his bench or what is the explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelCrazy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I think he is a former first rounder of the Phillies...He has put together a nice year so far in the minors and has a little pop...Im all for putting him at third and Frazier in left...Anything over. 220 or so and you got a significant improvment from Rolen and he is another left handed bat...Add in that Frazier in Left is a huge upgrade and that is what I hope to see for a short while here... Costanzo was a 2nd round pick by the Phillies in June '05... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelCrazy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 The Reds entered Sunday with a 14-5 record when Ryan Hanigan starts at catcher and 2-11 when Devin Mesoraco starts. The team ERA when Hanigan starts at catcher was 2.25, and with Mesoraco it was 4.94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Lou Pinella's winning percentage his last 7 seasons as manager - .472. Jim Leyland is barely over .500 for his career. "Genius" Mauch had a losing record as a manager. Chuck Tanner had a losing record as manager. Sparky had a .516 record as a Tiger manager with losing records in 5 of the last 7 season he managed. My point is you can slice and dice numbers and make any manager look bad. Is Dusty a great manager - IMO no. But he is definitely above average and, as I said above, IMO in the top 5 Reds managers over the past 50 years. Every single manager on every level of baseball can get second guessed in virtually every game and Cincinnati fans are among the best at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerTime Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Mark Sheldon @m_sheldon Just told umpire and ballpark ops folk will re-convene at 3 pm for another update. #reds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelCrazy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Sounds like they're going to do everything possible to get this game in today. The Nationals do not return to Cincy at all this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkufan23 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Costanzo was a 2nd round pick by the Phillies in June '05... Thanks I knew he was very highly thought of just not sure how high he went...Im very very proud of him though making his first trip to the bigs...He has earned it imo and I hope he is hungry, proves himselves and is here to stay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoesGym Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 For me, best Reds manager since Davey Johnson. Sparky, Lou, Pete, Davey, Dusty ... that's my top 5 in order. Lou Pinella's winning percentage his last 7 seasons as manager - .472. Jim Leyland is barely over .500 for his career. "Genius" Mauch had a losing record as a manager. Chuck Tanner had a losing record as manager. Sparky had a .516 record as a Tiger manager with losing records in 5 of the last 7 season he managed. My point is you can slice and dice numbers and make any manager look bad. Is Dusty a great manager - IMO no. But he is definitely above average and, as I said above, IMO in the top 5 Reds managers over the past 50 years. Every single manager on every level of baseball can get second guessed in virtually every game and Cincinnati fans are among the best at it. So you think it was a logical move to let Latos bat for himself and then replace him? That isn't even second guessing, that is pointing out a moronic move. The list of Reds managers for the last 50 years is not a very inspiring crew to begin with. All it would take would be a slightly above average manager to have a chance to break the top 5. However, I think I'd put Fred Hutchinson in there over Dusty. He's in the Reds Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkufan23 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Lou Pinella's winning percentage his last 7 seasons as manager - .472. Jim Leyland is barely over .500 for his career. "Genius" Mauch had a losing record as a manager. Chuck Tanner had a losing record as manager. Sparky had a .516 record as a Tiger manager with losing records in 5 of the last 7 season he managed. My point is you can slice and dice numbers and make any manager look bad. Is Dusty a great manager - IMO no. But he is definitely above average and, as I said above, IMO in the top 5 Reds managers over the past 50 years. Every single manager on every level of baseball can get second guessed in virtually every game and Cincinnati fans are among the best at it. Numbers are just numbers some managers can be great strategists and make all the right calls but not have the horses...Some managers might not be great but have superb talent which makes them look good...And some managers might have pretty average talent but not know how to manage a game, which isnt a good scenario and Dusty is in this category with the Reds...He is one of the worst in game managers, he is boneheaded and doesnt maximize the talent on his roster...He is stubborn and to patient just thinking guys are going to do the right things on their own and suddenly turn it around...If a guy is struggling sit him dont give him 30 games to prove himself and if a guy is washed up he is washed up except it insert a young gun with potential and move on...Dusty has had very good teams in the past with a lot of talent that made him look good any helped hide his inability to manage a game...My biggest gripe on him is you dont save a pinch hitter in a crucial point in the game for a more crucial imaginery moment later in the game that may never happen...There is a reason you have multiple hitters on the bench use one of them even if it is to bunt...A lot of managing is luck but a lot of things can also be done to increase your chances of winning and they arent going to just happen on theor that why manager make the big bucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoesGym Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 The wiffle ball pitcher is not fooling anyone today. He's over 90 pitches through five. I wonder if Dusty will let him bat for himself and then start the 6th with a new pitcher? Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoesGym Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Hey, look at that. He decided to use an acutal hitter today and Costanzo drives in a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Hey, look at that. He decided to use an acutal hitter today and Costanzo drives in a run. So it is a good idea to use someone on your bench when pulling the pitcher? Learn something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 Is it just me, or do Reds pitchers lead the league in giving up two out RBI hits, and their hitters are dead last in getting 2 out RBI hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoesGym Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 So it is a good idea to use someone on your bench when pulling the pitcher? Learn something new every day. I was talking about him having Latos bat for himself and then remove him for a relief pitcher. So I guess you think Dusty should have had Arroyo bat for himself in the 5th today and let another pitcher throw the 6th??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRCW Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 I was talking about him having Latos bat for himself and then remove him for a relief pitcher. So I guess you think Dusty should have had Arroyo bat for himself in the 5th today and let another pitcher throw the 6th??? He was being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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