I heard the officials were from the Murray area.

They came from the Owensboro/Leitchfield/Breckinridge County area.

Knock off all the shots at one another.

Live on tv? Where? And is it on the internet? I didn't know it was on tv.

 

I talked to some people who were very close to the sideline and they said it hit a Mayfield defender 1st plus I talked to a coach who didnt think it was pass interference. Mayfield says it wasn't, Beechwood says it was, I'd like to see it myself in slow motion because to my eye it looked like ball and players all arrived at the same time.

Not sure of what the station is. They have covered other Mayfield/Graves games and often show replays. I will check it when I get home. Not sure about the internet. The film crew is on the visitor side.

 

As I said, it was a "bang, bang" type play. Not obvious no matter how anyone thinks it transpired.

So does Beechwood win this game with Davis at QB in the final seconds? I know Nussbaum is their best player and can fill in at the QB spot but would that have made a difference? It would have obviously given the Tigers another recieving option in Nussbaum.

Live on tv? Where? And is it on the internet? I didn't know it was on tv.

 

I talked to some people who were very close to the sideline and they said it hit a Mayfield defender 1st plus I talked to a coach who didnt think it was pass interference. Mayfield says it wasn't, Beechwood says it was, I'd like to see it myself in slow motion because to my eye it looked like ball and players all arrived at the same time.

There is a production company based in Marshall County that does telecasts of one or two high school football games each week for broadcast on some local cable TV systems. I assume that's where bugatti saw it.

So does Beechwood win this game with Davis at QB in the final seconds? I know Nussbaum is their best player and can fill in at the QB spot but would that have made a difference? It would have obviously given the Tigers another recieving option in Nussbaum.

 

I would say no, but, who knows. I'm sure the Tiger faithful would like to think they would have. I simply say no because in the 1st 5 series of the 2nd half, the Tigers managed a whopping 12 total yds and they would have gotten the ball at the 5 or 6 yd line with no time outs and about 25 secs remaining. They would have had to have passed the ball to do it, which wasn't producing much, with exception of the long throw in the 1st half that the Cardinal defender fell down on that they scored on. Even the last drive when they went from the 30 to the Card 19, 44 of the 51 yds came on 2 run plays when the pocket broke down and Nussbaum scrambled to get yardage. I just think there would have been no way to even attempt a run play, because if it failed, chances are the clock runs out before they get another play off.

Toothpick is a big Mayfield fan and claims to be big high school football fan. So you tell me he doesn't know the names for the key players of the opposition? He is trying to get another dig in and he is playing most of you guys!

 

Never mind.

That was David Walker in the '87 title game during the OT.

 

Donnie Redd was the all-state back that was on that team and scored the only TD in the Ads victory over the Cardinals in the '89 title game.

Thanks for the correction, my bad.

That was David Walker in the '87 title game during the OT.

 

Donnie Redd was the all-state back that was on that team and scored the only TD in the Ads victory over the Cardinals in the '89 title game.

 

Hatz, I disagree, my memory was that Redd blocked it

Hatz, I disagree, my memory was that Redd blocked it

I think Walker is correct.

 

Redd's run in 1989 was one of the better ones I've seen on the high school level.

His name is Nassalbaum! Joe Nassalbaum!

 

Stop it.:lol:

So does Beechwood win this game with Davis at QB in the final seconds? I know Nussbaum is their best player and can fill in at the QB spot but would that have made a difference? It would have obviously given the Tigers another receiving option in Nussbaum.

 

Hard to say. But there is no doubt the odds of completing any pass go up multiple times over with Davis at QB. Nussbaum probably threw 20 passes all season and he probably completed 6 or 7 including screens. I can only recall mayebe 3 completed passes down field by Nussbaum. Plus, Mayfield's game winning TD drive starter in Beechwood territory after an interception of a Nussbaum pass. Mayfield's defense is great and Beechwood wasn't moving the ball much with Davis at QB so no guarantees. Just a lot better odds for Beechwood.

 

I will say I think Beechwood learned something about playing Mayfield in that last drive. IMO, Beechwood needs to install some spread offense if they want to beat Mayfield. Spread them out, look for the quick pass and if it isn't there tell your QB (assuming he is a typical Beechwood running QB) to take off. The best offense Beechwood had all night was Nussbaum running out of the shotgun in passing situations. Also, the last team to put it to Mayfield was LCA and they do nothing but the spread. Mayfield likes to stack the box and they are all fast. You are not going to be able to run it at them unless you spread that speed out and find ways to get them out of the box. That's my opinion.

I would say no, but, who knows. I'm sure the Tiger faithful would like to think they would have. I simply say no because in the 1st 5 series of the 2nd half, the Tigers managed a whopping 12 total yds and they would have gotten the ball at the 5 or 6 yd line with no time outs and about 25 secs remaining. They would have had to have passed the ball to do it, which wasn't producing much, with exception of the long throw in the 1st half that the Cardinal defender fell down on that they scored on. Even the last drive when they went from the 30 to the Card 19, 44 of the 51 yds came on 2 run plays when the pocket broke down and Nussbaum scrambled to get yardage. I just think there would have been no way to even attempt a run play, because if it failed, chances are the clock runs out before they get another play off.

 

As I said above, there are no guarantees Beechwood wins. However, in reply to your comments above:

 

1. Beechwood only had Davis for one or two of those 5 second half drives so that skews the stats a little on what may have happened with him back there in the second half.

 

2. The defender on the long TD pass was beaten by a perfect throw by Davis. He fell down diving to try and get to Everett as he caught the ball. It was an excellent play by Beechwood that beat the Mayfield defense.

 

3. First series of the game Cruse was 10 yards behind the Mayfield defense and appeared to misjudge what would have been a 50 yard TD catch in the end zone, as the ball fell off his finger tips right in front of him as he stood in the end zone waiting for the ball.

 

4. Beechwood's run offense was at its best running out of the power I with Davis at QB and Nussbaum at tailback. When Davis went out and Nussbaum moved to QB, Beechwood lost what had been its most successful offensive set all night.

 

My point being, Beechwood had some success in this game with Davis at QB so I would have expected more of at least that level of success with him at QB the whole second half. But he wasn't there and it is all speculation. Mayfield very well may have stuffed Beechwood with him back there. But as I said above, the odds are much better for Beechwood with Davis at QB.

Hatz, I disagree, my memory was that Redd blocked it

 

It was David "Day-Day" Walker. He was a freshman that year and scored the TD in OT for the Ads. It was his "Coming out" moment. He had a great career for the next two years and was kicked off the team just prior to the '89 playoffs by Harp. He never played again.

 

Donnie Redd was probably the best RB of that Admiral era. 1,000 yards + all 3 years and should have been Mr. Football IMO in '89.

Hard to say. But there is no doubt the odds of completing any pass go up multiple times over with Davis at QB. Nussbaum probably threw 20 passes all season and he probably completed 6 or 7 including screens. I can only recall mayebe 3 completed passes down field by Nussbaum. Plus, Mayfield's game winning TD drive starter in Beechwood territory after an interception of a Nussbaum pass. Mayfield's defense is great and Beechwood wasn't moving the ball much with Davis at QB so no guarantees. Just a lot better odds for Beechwood.

 

I will say I think Beechwood learned something about playing Mayfield in that last drive. IMO, Beechwood needs to install some spread offense if they want to beat Mayfield. Spread them out, look for the quick pass and if it isn't there tell your QB (assuming he is a typical Beechwood running QB) to take off. The best offense Beechwood had all night was Nussbaum running out of the shotgun in passing situations. Also, the last team to put it to Mayfield was LCA and they do nothing but the spread. Mayfield likes to stack the box and they are all fast. You are not going to be able to run it at them unless you spread that speed out and find ways to get them out of the box. That's my opinion.

 

It looks like we will see more of Max and the wildcat next year. Your thoughts?