It's unfortunate that such a penalty had such an impact on such an important game.

 

I think every football coach at every high school that is aware of this situation is going to have to exercise much greater control over who is allowed on the sidelines. I know that if I was a head coach, there would be no media types permitted on my sidelines; there would be no one on the sidelines other than players, coaches, managers and medical personnel. Period. I'd rather deal with the lack of exposure and have a win, than have exposure but suffer a loss if the loss was caused by such a penalty.

 

And for the refs reading this thread and this site in general, don't get your boxers in a bunch every time you see a ref get criticized. You know it comes with the territory. You ignore the comments during the game hopefully, ignore them on here too. And face it: we are all human. The coaches make mistakes, the players make mistakes and the you make mistakes. It happens.

 

Fans need to remember that too. Try as they might to make every call correct, refs are going to make mistakes. Hopefully the mistakes won't come at crucial times, but sometimes they do. When they do, the fans need to remember the part that refs are human and that they dedicate a lot of time to our kids for very little money. If fans keep that in mind, perhaps they will be less critical of the refs.

 

But the refs need to realize that they do make mistakes from time to time and remember that those mistakes can have a big, big impact on the outcome of games played by kids, many of which kids have spent many, many more hours than the refs preparing for those games. So it's only natural for fans, coaches and players to get upset when they see a ref miss a penalty or call a penalty that they disagree with. If the refs keep that in mind, perhaps they won't get so upset when they are criticized.

It's unfortunate that such a penalty had such an impact on such an important game.

 

I think every football coach at every high school that is aware of this situation is going to have to exercise much greater control over who is allowed on the sidelines. I know that if I was a head coach, there would be no media types permitted on my sidelines; there would be no one on the sidelines other than players, coaches, managers and medical personnel. Period. I'd rather deal with the lack of exposure and have a win, than have exposure but suffer a loss if the loss was caused by such a penalty.

And for the refs reading this thread and this site in general, don't get your boxers in a bunch every time you see a ref get criticized. You know it comes with the territory. You ignore the comments during the game hopefully, ignore them on here too. And face it: we are all human. The coaches make mistakes, the players make mistakes and the you make mistakes. It happens.

 

Fans need to remember that too. Try as they might to make every call correct, refs are going to make mistakes. Hopefully the mistakes won't come at crucial times, but sometimes they do. When they do, the fans need to remember the part that refs are human and that they dedicate a lot of time to our kids for very little money. If fans keep that in mind, perhaps they will be less critical of the refs.

 

But the refs need to realize that they do make mistakes from time to time and remember that those mistakes can have a big, big impact on the outcome of games played by kids, many of which kids have spent many, many more hours than the refs preparing for those games. So it's only natural for fans, coaches and players to get upset when they see a ref miss a penalty or call a penalty that they disagree with. If the refs keep that in mind, perhaps they won't get so upset when they are criticized.

 

Spot on!:thumb:

I know when I played football, I never came out of the huddle thinking, "Hey, I know what...I'm gonna go offside this play".

 

The majority of penalties are incurred by accident.

I'm not saying you are incorrect, but there were times on the first defensive play, when I played, that I would jump offsides and nail the TE across from me, we lost yardage on the first play, but that TE was worried about me the rest of the game. But, maybe that's just me.

Since the beginning of sports. If your team is intentionally committing penalties then I would say they deserve to lose!

 

If I am not mistaken delinberatly breaking the rules is cheating, right?

I'm not saying you are incorrect, but there were times on the first defensive play, when I played, that I would jump offsides and nail the TE across from me, we lost yardage on the first play, but that TE was worried about me the rest of the game. But, maybe that's just me.

 

Haha, yeah, there are definitely instances where penalties aren't anything BUT intentional. At the same time, I think I could safely say 75%, maybe even 85% aren't intentional.

 

Even of those penalties that are "intentional", I think you could make an argument for them being only half-intentional. For example, take holding or pass interference calls. There are some instances where a player is getting beat, and without really thinking about it they grab for jersey. I would say that, at least at the high school level, most players still haven't had that instinct coached out of them.

 

On the other hand, you've got illegal procedure calls, false start, illegal formation, ineligible receiver downfield...I can't think of many (if any) scenarios where those penalties would occur "intentionally".

Here is another thing I will say about officials and fans. As I watch games, fans always find something to scream at officials about and at least 75%+ of the time the fans are clearly wrong. Why? Because they let emotions cause them to think all the close calls should go their way. It is difficult for most fans to have an unbiased view on games. When I read comments on here about officials, I always read between the lines and ask myself what are they leaving out of the story because of the emotion involved.

For those that plan on watching it this week on cable, I'm curious to know if the infraction occurred between the 30's or not?

I heard it was Steve Bartman running the camera.

 

Since the beginning of sports. If your team is intentionally committing penalties then I would say they deserve to lose!

What about intentional grounding? (just kidding!) I guess I just got hung up on the "accidents" word, but you are probably right that players aren't getting penalties intentionally or they wouldn't be on the field long.

If I am not mistaken delinberatly breaking the rules is cheating, right?

Not sure. If you break a team rule, are you cheating?

Found out why it seams there is more focus on the side lines this year. This is one of the changes that went into effect in 2009.

 

"The committee made a significant change in Rule 9-8-3 in an effort to reduce the risk of injury along the sidelines. A maximum of three coaches may be in the restricted area to communicate with players during dead-ball situations. Before the ball becomes live, however, the coaches must retreat into the team box.

 

Bob Colgate, NFHS assistant director and liaison to the Football Rules Committee, said this rule change results in a 2-yard belt that is clear of team personnel and helps eliminate sideline congestion while helping to minimize the risk for participating players, coaches and officials during live-ball situations.

 

"There no longer will be an allowance for three coaches to remain in an area adjacent to the sideline when the ball is live," Colgate said. "The results of a three-year experiment were favorable, which led to the committee's support for this rule change in 2009."

 

Here is the link

 

http://football.refs.org/rules/NFrules2009pr.html

I heard it was Steve Bartman running the camera.

 

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Alex Gonzalez's favorite baseball fan!! No one remembers the double play ball that went through Gonzalez's legs that same inning because they want to blame the loss on a foul ball in the stands.

I heard it was Steve Bartman running the camera.

 

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I'm glad somebody finally cleared that up! :lol:

Nees1212 do you mean between the 25's?

 

LN you are always spot on.

Spot on!:thumb:

 

No doubt. :notworthy: I had the same passage highlighted, but figured I wouldn't be the only one who agreed completely.