Obama links energy troubles to Cheney

[AcesFull]

If Cheney is to blame for the price of oil going to $150, does he get credit for bringing it down to $116?

Of course not. The prospect of millions of Obama followers properly inflating their tires and getting tune-ups obviously threw a scare into big oil and those evil speculators. :lol:

[halfback20]

Does anyone else think oil companies in the U.S. consistently price gouge? I keep hearing that the average cost of a barrel of oil is going down and on Monday-Thursday I see that difference at the pump with gas prices going as low as $3.59. However it's like clockwork, every weekend gas shoots right back up to $3.75+. Any idea why?

[AcesFull]

Does anyone else think oil companies in the U.S. consistently price gouge? I keep hearing that the average cost of a barrel of oil is going down and on Monday-Thursday I see that difference at the pump with gas prices going as low as $3.59. However it's like clockwork, every weekend gas shoots right back up to $3.75+. Any idea why?

Do you have any data to back up your theory? I agree that it seems like gasoline prices rise on Thursday and drop early the following week but I am not sure that is the case.

 

The oil industry operates on relatively low profit margins compared to other industries, a fact that liberals seem unable to grasp or accept. When the cost of oil rises, the effect at the pumps is not instantaneous, which should be no surprise when you consider the length of the supply chain.

 

I know that it has been said many times before, but it bears repeating, American oil companies control relatively small pools of oil reserves, so they purchase large quantities from the countries and companies that own the reserves. "Big oil" does not control prices of crude oil because it does not control the a large enough piece of the supply to control the prices.

[halfback20]

Do you have any data to back up your theory? I agree that it seems like gasoline prices rise on Thursday and drop early the following week but I am not sure that is the case.

 

The oil industry operates on relatively low profit margins compared to other industries, a fact that liberals seem unable to grasp or accept. When the cost of oil rises, the effect at the pumps is not instantaneous, which should be no surprise when you consider the length of the supply chain.

 

I know that it has been said many times before, but it bears repeating, American oil companies control relatively small pools of oil reserves, so they purchase large quantities from the countries and companies that own the reserves. "Big oil" does not control prices of crude oil because it does not control the a large enough piece of the supply to control the prices.

 

Only data based on my observations for the past few weeks driving to and from work every day. Gas prices are usually much lower earlier in the week and rise 10+ cents by Thursday or Friday. In Lexington for the past two weeks, at least, gas prices have been lower Monday-Thursday and much higher on the weekends.

[Baseballguy]

Pretty desperate move by Obama. He is getting hammered on his idiotic "energy" policy so he tries to link McCain's more sensible policy to an unpopular Republican. Are any of you liberals disappointed in The One stooping to such tactics?

 

 

Now that is funny.:lol:

[Clyde]

 

If you are trying to make the point that there is no difference in McCain's position and Obama's position, then you are failing miserably. If your point is that both candidates' positions have shifted during the campaign, then you are preaching to the choir.

 

The latter.

 

This forum spends so much time bashing one side for changing his mind/flip flopping yet somehow ignores when the other side does. I'm not sure why we get so upset every 4 years about flip flops. Its a natural happening. Count on it happening. People change their minds and their #1 goal is to get elected.

[Clyde]

Link please to a credible source confirming that McCain has supported such a concept to anywhere close of the degree that Obama has. And I hope you have something more than the CNN snippit that you posted earlier. That is not even in the same state, much less neighborhood, with Obama's apparent way of big oil.

 

Both have changed their mind. Both were against offshore drilling. Both are now open to it in some degree.

 

McCain , as recently as June as the "snippet" shows, was not against windfall taxes. He changed his mind.

 

Again, flip flopping is a natural 4 year occurrence and its not partial to the left or the right. That's the point I've been trying to make as Ace continues to look with a blind eye to McCain's evolving positions. I'm not sure what the story here is.

[AcesFull]

The latter.

 

This forum spends so much time bashing one side for changing his mind/flip flopping yet somehow ignores when the other side does. I'm not sure why we get so upset every 4 years about flip flops. Its a natural happening. Count on it happening. People change their minds and their #1 goal is to get elected.

People do not change their beliefs in order to get elected but they do change their publicly stated positions to get elected. Obama is the third consecutive far left wing liberal to be nominated and he is the third consecutive candidate to run in the primaries as a liberal and then make dramatic shifts to the right for the general election.

 

Nobody is denying that McCain has shifted positions on many issues but the shifts have not been nearly as dramatic and predictable as those made by Obama.

 

Given the state of the economy and the sharp rise in energy prices, McCain's shift in his position on drilling is both understandable and believable - and I have accused McCain of being dishonest in the past.

 

Obama is a socialist and has a voting record to match. His convenient conversion to a more moderate candidate is not very convincing and that is why this is still a close race. McCain is a moderate with a moderate voting record. It is much easier to convince people that his changes in position are genuine.

[Clyde]

 

Obama is a socialist and has a voting record to match. His convenient conversion to a more moderate candidate is not very convincing and that is why this is still a close race. McCain is a moderate with a moderate voting record. It is much easier to convince people that his changes in position are genuine.

 

Spare me the sugarcoating. McCain used to be a moderate and that's when many like me thought he was a legit alternative to those that played to the far right. While he still may truly be a moderate, he certainly hasn't campaigned like one. He's trying to get elected so many of his promises are now directed way to the right. Heck, he used to not even go to church but now he started going. Coincidence? He used to bash the whack job ministers and now he makes sure to not miss the photo ops. Staying true to himself?

 

I think he's still a legit alternative but many of us are disappointed at his conversion.

[AcesFull]

Spare me the sugarcoating. McCain used to be a moderate and that's when many like me thought he was a legit alternative to those that played to the far right. While he still may truly be a moderate, he certainly hasn't campaigned like one. He's trying to get elected so many of his promises are now directed way to the right. Heck, he used to not even go to church but now he started going. Coincidence? He used to bash the whack job ministers and now he makes sure to not miss the photo ops. Staying true to himself?

 

I think he's still a legit alternative but many of us are disappointed at his conversion.

I am sure that I am not the only conservative who will be shocked to learn that McCain has been converted into a far right candidate. I certainly hope that you are correct but I have seen no evidence of such a conversion. In fact, I have been reading that Joe Lieberman is on McCain's short list of VP possibilities and that moderate Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is at the top of that list. Strange choices for a conservative candidate. :lol:

[True blue (and gold)]

Both have changed their mind. Both were against offshore drilling. Both are now open to it in some degree.

 

McCain , as recently as June as the "snippet" shows, was not against windfall taxes. He changed his mind.

 

Again, flip flopping is a natural 4 year occurrence and its not partial to the left or the right. That's the point I've been trying to make as Ace continues to look with a blind eye to McCain's evolving positions. I'm not sure what the story here is.

 

There seem to be a lot of one sided "blind eye" politics going on.

[Clyde]

I am sure that I am not the only conservative who will be shocked to learn that McCain has been converted into a far right candidate. I certainly hope that you are correct but I have seen no evidence of such a conversion. In fact, I have been reading that Joe Lieberman is on McCain's short list of VP possibilities and that moderate Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is at the top of that list. Strange choices for a conservative candidate. :lol:

 

You would have to be blind to not notice his attempts to placate the far right.

[AcesFull]

You would have to be blind to not notice his attempts to placate the far right.

You may call me Mr. Ray Charles. :lol:

 

McCain has worked much harder at firming up his support among moderates and independents than he has at courting conservatives. Energy independence and replacing our domestic oil production that has been declining for decades is not a conservative position - it is an American position that appeals to all but the far left wing of the Democratic Party and other fringe groups.

 

McCain has not dropped his support of so-called "comprehensive immigration reform" and seems to have back peddled since he assured Sean Hannity that he had learned his lesson and that he understood that our borders must be secured first.

 

McCain's campaign has continued to float the names of moderat Republicans and even liberal Democrat Joe Lieberman as potential running mates. That is really firing up the Republican base.

 

McCain continues to support the effort to win the war in Iraq and against Islamic terrorists - but that is not a position that he has recently taken to appeal to conservatives.

 

Maybe you can list some examples of issues that McCain has taken a hard turn to the right on instead of just stating his move to the right in vague, Obama-esque terms.

[True blue (and gold)]

I am sure that I am not the only conservative who will be shocked to learn that McCain has been converted into a far right candidate. I certainly hope that you are correct but I have seen no evidence of such a conversion. In fact, I have been reading that Joe Lieberman is on McCain's short list of VP possibilities and that moderate Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is at the top of that list. Strange choices for a conservative candidate. :lol:

 

Is the converse true? If he chooses Romney, is he actually, then, a conservative? I just want to know before the selection is made.

[AcesFull]

Is the converse true? If he chooses Romney, is he actually, then, a conservative? I just want to know before the selection is made.

Selecting a conservative running mate will not make John McCain a conservative but it will show some respect to the conservatives in the party, which has been lacking from McCain in the past.