The New President and the SCOTUS appointments.

[ladiesbballcoach]

If anyone considers abortion an issue, this is what really matters.

 

:thumb:

[ladiesbballcoach]

Exactly right, plus May '08 Gallup poll numbers of 82% wanting abortion to remain legal. Abortion rights are here to stay.

 

Saddest thing I have ever read on here.

 

Somehow this country has made this a won/lost issue and (not saying math is one) those on the choice side feel pride in the fact they have kept an American genocide of taking 3,500 unborn babies lives every singe day in this country legal. And they find PRIDE in that stance.

 

I don't understand it.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Supreme court justices are one of the primary reasons I will vote for McCain.

 

The Socialist Obama has already said that Ginsburg is his idea of a great jurist. That's just scary.

 

In a 60 minutes piece, Ginsburg said the Constitution is an evolving document that the justices need to be able to put into today's world and change the meaning as they see fit, legally.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Just get that thought out of your head. If it didn't come up before the current court, it's never gonna come up. GOP leadership wouldn't know what to do without their wedge issue anyway, so they don't want to see it struck down, despite how hard their candidates pander.

 

For argument's sake let's assume that your view is right. How is that any different than the Dems view on poverty and how they use that to get votes? They don't want their wedge issue solved anymore than the Reps would want their wedge issue solved.

 

So, then we could say that the elected officials have no interest in solving poverty (Dems) or abortion (Reps).

[Hearsay]

Exactly right, plus May '08 Gallup poll numbers of 82% wanting abortion to remain legal. Abortion rights are here to stay.

 

There are currently at least 16 cases appealed from the federal district courts to the circuit courts of appeal that have as their intent the overturn of RVW. All of them were postponed at the trial court level until after the confirmation of Justice Roberts, and his answer during confirmation hearings concerning the effect of stare decisis analysis under Casey.

[Jim Schue]

For argument's sake let's assume that your view is right. How is that any different than the Dems view on poverty and how they use that to get votes? They don't want their wedge issue solved anymore than the Reps would want their wedge issue solved.

 

So, then we could say that the elected officials have no interest in solving poverty (Dems) or abortion (Reps).

 

To be honest with you, I don't think the DNC is well-organized enough to be able to pull off something like that.

 

What seems most likely to me is that most Dem candidates genuinely would like to help out poor folks beyond just pandering, they just have never known how to go about fixing the problem in a competent way. But I can't truthfully say they are actively keeping people poor to maintain a voting bloc; I don't think the party leadership is A) that organized or B) that calculated.

 

With GOP politicians, however, I think most of them genuinely could give two spits about abortion one way or another and only view it as a campaign tool. I'm willing to bet there's a lot of them who didn't mind the convenience of sending their daughters to the clinic across town to clean up the mess from when daddy's little girl went slumming, rather than having to go to Mexico to have the procedure done the way it used to be.

[shooter]

Exactly right, plus May '08 Gallup poll numbers of 82% wanting abortion to remain legal. Abortion rights are here to stay.

 

This is an good example of how to spin the facts. That question had only four possible answers: (a) abortion should be legal under any circumstances (b) abortion should be legal under some circumstances © abortion should be illegal under all circumstances (d) no opinion. The 82% is achieved by adding the 28% that chose (a) and the 54% that chose (b).

 

Given those options I would choose (b) myself and I dare say a significant of number of people who consider themselves pro-life would also chose (b). It's also worth noting that the status quo prior to Roe v. Wade was (b) and the status quo today with Roe v. Wade is (b).

[the mathemagician]

This is an good example of how to spin the facts. That question had only four possible answers: (a) abortion should be legal under any circumstances (b) abortion should be legal under some circumstances © abortion should be illegal under all circumstances (d) no opinion. The 82% is achieved by adding the 28% that chose (a) and the 54% that chose (b).

 

Given those options I would choose (b) myself and I dare say a significant of number of people who consider themselves pro-life would also chose (b). It's also worth noting that the status quo prior to Roe v. Wade was (b) and the status quo today with Roe v. Wade is (b).

 

Fact remains only 17% of Americans would be willing to give up abortion.

Since you are option (b), under what circumstances are you akay with aborting a fetus? I don't believe that even 1% of that 17% would be against an abortion if their daughter's life was at risk. If it hit close to home real hard, I believe you would find that most "lifer's", would be most hypocritical in what they would be advocating when juxtaposed against what they usually espouse.

 

BTW, I do respect that you are one of the 82%.

[shooter]

Fact remains only 17% of Americans would be willing to give up abortion.

Since you are option (b), under what circumstances are you akay with aborting a fetus? I don't believe that even 1% of that 17% would be against an abortion if their daughter's life was at risk. If it hit close to home real hard, I believe you would find that most "lifer's", would be most hypocritical in what they would be advocating when juxtaposed against what they usually espouse.

 

BTW, I do respect that you are one of the 82%.

 

One certain circumstance would be one that confronted my cousin. She was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor while pregnant. She was given the choice of treating the brain tumor immediately but that would result in the death of the baby or putting off treatment until the baby was born. Obviously, waiting would decrease her chance of survival. She chose to wait, the baby was healthy and she recovered but I would have understood if she has made a different decision.

 

I also believe that the results of that Gallup poll aren't very informative. The term "some circumstances" is so vague as to limit the utility of the results of that question. For example, I could spin the results of that Gallup poll by saying that the response of 71% was consistent with overturning Roe v. Wade.

[mexitucky]

In a 60 minutes piece, Ginsburg said the Constitution is an evolving document that the justices need to be able to put into today's world and change the meaning as they see fit, legally.

 

I completely agree. The flexibility created by the wording of the amendments creates a lot of room for good "lawyering" as my Crim Law professor said.

[mexitucky]

There are currently at least 16 cases appealed from the federal district courts to the circuit courts of appeal that have as their intent the overturn of RVW. All of them were postponed at the trial court level until after the confirmation of Justice Roberts, and his answer during confirmation hearings concerning the effect of stare decisis analysis under Casey.

 

Casey, I feel, is about as close as we will come to seeing a ban on abortion. Though it upholds Roe v. Wade, it also put limitations on accessibility to abortions depending on the advancement of the pregnancy, and to teenagers ability to have an abortion.