Does the KHSAA ever start an investigation that ever ends without a punishment (or do we just never hear of those cases)? It seems like an "investigation" by the KHSAA most of the time end with someone in the wrong, they must just pick and choose their cases wisely or have some good lawyers at that!

I agree, and that is why I am choosing my statements carefully. I have always gotten along with the fans from LCA, and want to continue to get along with them. But, this is not the LCA fans and players versus the other schools fans and players. This is about a school that did something wrong, and we are just discussion what the school did and what penalty they received.

 

I have no ill feeling toward the LCA fans or players, but I am upset with the school administration, or who ever was involved in breaking the rules.

 

The shame in this is that when the punishments get handed out or people start cracking on the program the people who suffer the most aren't the administration or people involved in the violations. Its the people in the same program who play fairly. Drop a program from playoffs for a year and you punish most likely the majority of the players when it was the small minority that led to this problem.

 

I can't comment on the championships, in Girl's Basketball a friend of mine's sister is one of the starting five for them and he has never heard anything suspicious with the team so its hard to say that they should lose their championship unless it is proven someone on the team in fact did recieve improper funding to be at the school.

The shame in this is that when the punishments get handed out or people start cracking on the program the people who suffer the most aren't the administration or people involved in the violations. Its the people in the same program who play fairly. Drop a program from playoffs for a year and you punish most likely the majority of the players when it was the small minority that led to this problem.

 

I agree, that is why if I was a parent of an athlete at LCA I would be very upset. Because, the many are going to suffer the humiliation for the actions of the few.

 

It's sad, but the players and the parents who did nothing wrong are going to be ridiculed for what other people did. Just a simple fact.

 

It is just unfathomable that a school, especially a private school, in the state of Kentucky, given all the discussion about separation of private and public, would not know what they are allowed to do and not do, particularly, when it concerns monetary support for athletes. And, if they did not know what was allowed, surely they would investigate the legalities of dealing with money before following through with financial aid.

 

Unless, they were just going to plead ignorance, if caught.

I don't know the answer to this and I'm just quoting you because your post was the latest to suggest some sort of banning for LCA.

 

Is there any provision in the KHSAA rules where for banning a school from post season play?

 

I've got a word to describe many from the public school side that have posted here but because I like posting so I won't use it.

 

But for all of you public school people that are calling for LCA's head I would sure like to hear your spin about why the public schools voted down the private schools proposal that would have created a real enforcement division of the KHSAA.

 

Plenty of teeth in bylaw 33 under the suspension section. All of which can be applied to violations of bylaw 10.

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw33.pdf

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw10.pdf

Does the KHSAA ever start an investigation that ever ends without a punishment (or do we just never hear of those cases)? It seems like an "investigation" by the KHSAA most of the time end with someone in the wrong, they must just pick and choose their cases wisely or have some good lawyers at that!

 

They investigate lots of allegations that prove unfounded with no punishments issued.

The word I got is that a disgruntled parent vowed to "get back at" LCA for something that didn't go the way the parent thought it should for their kid. The details of that story are unimportant. The point is, they've been slinging mud, just to see what would stick. This is it... a few area churches helping to pay the tuition for some kids they felt needed to be in a better situation.

 

There was no direct indication or implication of recruiting, otherwise the penalties would have been stiffer.

 

This was not a grand secret scheme cooked up by the administration of LCA to pull one over on everyone else. I was a case of genuine charity with the unfortunate and undeniable appearance of possible impropriety.

 

To their credit, LCA stepped up, and took their medicine. :thumb:

 

Again my question would be 16 of 18 were athletes are they the only ones that need a better situation ?

Anytime that you offer scholarships to kids on the High School level and there are sports offered at that school, you are going to have problems like this.

The word I got is that a disgruntled parent vowed to "get back at" LCA for something that didn't go the way the parent thought it should for their kid. The details of that story are unimportant. The point is, they've been slinging mud, just to see what would stick. This is it... a few area churches helping to pay the tuition for some kids they felt needed to be in a better situation.

 

There was no direct indication or implication of recruiting, otherwise the penalties would have been stiffer.

 

This was not a grand secret scheme cooked up by the administration of LCA to pull one over on everyone else. I was a case of genuine charity with the unfortunate and undeniable appearance of possible impropriety.

 

To their credit, LCA stepped up, and took their medicine. :thumb:

 

Once again someone wants you to believe that the "charitable acts" of others led to this outcome. Why is it that this so -called "charity" is almost entirely for athletes???? This "charity" is at the expense of other kids whose parents paid their full tuition and is all in the name of winning at any cost.

Interesting also that all references to this scandal have now been deleted from the Kentucky.com website. They had a comments page that absolutely blistered LCA and Lexington Catholic.

I'm certain that most of the folks at LCA want what is best for their children and want to play by the rules. They work hard to send their children to a private school and are paying their 100% of their children's tuition. I'm certain that many of them are very angry about this situation and will hopefully make their voices heard.

As I have posted earlier, the punishment LCA received (AS QUOTED IN THE PAPER) was as follows: (1.) Fined $13,892.00 (2.) Put on probation for 1 year (3.) all parents of 16 student athletes required to pay back the tuition they were given. (That's right folks, I didn't studder, I said "16" !!)

 

There is no excuse for the schools actions, other than trying to buy championship teams !!

 

They are CHEATERS and do not deserve any slack. Think of the senior players on the teams they beat in football this year ! Players who missed out on playoff games etc. because the coaching staff and management of LCA and their actions.

As I have posted earlier, the punishment LCA received (AS QUOTED IN THE PAPER) was as follows: (1.) Fined $13,892.00 (2.) Put on probation for 1 year (3.) all parents of 16 student athletes required to pay back the tuition they were given. (That's right folks, I didn't studder, I said "16" !!)

 

There is no excuse for the schools actions, other than trying to buy championship teams !!

 

They are CHEATERS and do not deserve any slack. Think of the senior players on the teams they beat in football this year ! Players who missed out on playoff games etc. because the coaching staff and management of LCA and their actions.

 

While I have been a private school supporter on here, I generally agree with your thoughts (as do a lot of other private school supporters I have spoken with). I'm not willing to go quite so far as to say the LCA administrators or coaches cheated, clearly there was a violation of the intent of the law if not the letter of the law. And yes I believe the LCA sports programs benefitted from the violation.

They had siblings with a lot of success, one has graduated and the other is still there. I don't know of any other siblings.

 

One of the siblings in this case is in 3rd grade.

This whole mess simply proves the inequity found in Kentucky high school sports. In my opinion, there are a couple of potential solutions to this problem.

 

1. The system could be change so that private schools play only private schools and public schools do the same. Then, KHSAA could establish AND ENFORCE rules that are appropriate for both sub-units.

 

2. The state could present each school age child with a certificate of funds that would be used to allow that student to enroll in a school and receive their state educational monies. Each school would then set admission criteria that the child would have to meet in order to be eligible to attend. If the child can't meet the criteria, then they must go to another school and attempt admission. At least there would be some sort of proof that the child had been denied or accepted based on established criteria.

 

If the parent chooses to send their child to a private school, then the certificate is void and the parents fund the enrollment, just as they SUPPOSEDLY would have done in the current system.

 

This would make the schools more accountable for providing better quality educations for the children, as their enrollment figures would be based on how well they can "sell" their program to parents. Hopefully, the competition would encourage schools to improve from within...teachers, administrators, coaches, etc.

 

This is just a thought, but there has to be a way to remidy what has been going on for some time now in private, and to some degree, public schools, as well.

This is just a thought, but there has to be a way to remidy what has been going on for some time now in private, and to some degree, public schools, as well.

 

I think the best way to stop any recruiting what so ever, is to impose harsh punishment upon the school as well as the student/athlete who are involved in recruiting violations.

 

Right now there is very little punishment, if you are caught at all. And the school is the only one that is punished at all. If it is clear that if your are a student/athlete that excepts monetary gain for going to a school you will be deemed ineligible for any high school sports in Kentucky for life, then I think most players would think twice about excepting any money. And, if the school was ineligible for the post season for, say five years (All sports), I would say that most schools would not allow any type of recruiting to go on at their school. Because, most schools are cheating to advance in the post season. Then levy a hefty fine.

 

Now, some people will say this punishment is just to harsh. But, I think, what are you worried about if you are not guilty of recruiting. It takes a lot of evidence, that is generally hard to obtain, to prove that a school was in violation of Rule 10. So, if they prove that you recruited players, then give the punishment that will put a stop to this non-sense.

 

If the price is to high to take a chance, I bet recruiting would stop.

That is all right........ It looks like to me that the KHSAA doesn't really want to stop this kind of trickery or they would impose those kind of sanctions against those that cheat. PERIOD........

The word I got is that a disgruntled parent vowed to "get back at" LCA for something that didn't go the way the parent thought it should for their kid. The details of that story are unimportant. The point is, they've been slinging mud, just to see what would stick. This is it... a few area churches helping to pay the tuition for some kids they felt needed to be in a better situation.

 

There was no direct indication or implication of recruiting, otherwise the penalties would have been stiffer.

 

This was not a grand secret scheme cooked up by the administration of LCA to pull one over on everyone else. I was a case of genuine charity with the unfortunate and undeniable appearance of possible impropriety.

 

To their credit, LCA stepped up, and took their medicine. :thumb:

 

 

They took their medicine alright, one rich parent stepped up and wrote a simple check for the fine! How was this fine so much different than LC, theirs was $31,000?

 

 

 

The shame in this is that when the punishments get handed out or people start cracking on the program the people who suffer the most aren't the administration or people involved in the violations. Its the people in the same program who play fairly. Drop a program from playoffs for a year and you punish most likely the majority of the players when it was the small minority that led to this problem.

 

I can't comment on the championships, in Girl's Basketball a friend of mine's sister is one of the starting five for them and he has never heard anything suspicious with the team so its hard to say that they should lose their championship unless it is proven someone on the team in fact did recieve improper funding to be at the school.

 

There were 16/18 athletes listed in the article, so I would have to assume they could figure out what sports these kids participated in. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.