Just a couple of opinions of mine based on comments presented in this thread:

 

When a private school is found guilty of a violation, NO PENEALTY WILL EVER BE SEVERE ENOUGH

 

If a private school is never found to be in violation, THE KHSAA IS INCOMPETENT OR THEY HEVEN'T BEEN IN VIOLATION ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CAUGHT. BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THEY'RE CHEATERS.

Just a couple of opinions of mine based on comments presented in this thread:

 

When a private school is found guilty of a violation, NO PENEALTY WILL EVER BE SEVERE ENOUGH

 

If a private school is never found to be in violation, THE KHSAA IS INCOMPETENT OR THEY HEVEN'T BEEN IN VIOLATION ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CAUGHT. BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THEY'RE CHEATERS.

 

I went to a public school, kids went to public schools and this statement, as we all have our opinions, is way off. To make a statement like this you must really despise the Catholic schools and that is a shame to have that much hatred for all Catholic schools. I am sure there are plenty of violations each yr by the public schools as well as the Catholic schools. Like someone sd, it is just a matter of getting caught or not. That is why if caught, the fine and suspension periods should be more harsh making these schools think twice before letting something happen that shouldn't be going on.

Anyone know what will happen if the parents don't pay back the "Athletic/educational $$$$" they received?

Actually, it's just the opposite. My child attended Catholic school and I consider myself an avid supporter of the Catholic school system. The intent of my post was not to voice my opinion of the schools but to try to voice my opinion of the critics posting here. I truely believe that those criticising this ruling as a slap on the wrist will never be satisfied with degree of punishment nor will they ever be convinced from believing that privates are cheaters,; why else can they win, if they don't cheat? I'm sorry if my post came across any way other that what I intended. By the way, I've got a lot of human frailities, bu being a hater is not one of them

I have no idea what percentage of the student body at LCA actually participates in a sport. With around 400 students and teams in football, baseball, golf, tennis, basketball, softball, track, swimming, diving, soccer, cross-country, volleyball, cheerleading, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a very high percentage of the student body are classified as athletes.

 

 

If it weren't for the potential harm it could cause some kids who don't deserve the venom they would receive from angry adults, I'd be interested to see the names and actual stats of the "athletes" who received tuition assistance in this situation. I would be surprised to discover significant "impact" players on the list.

 

I agree that actual "recruiting" should be punished to the fullest extent. I don't think that providing tuition assistance to kids who need it (and is free at all public schools) falls under the same umbrella.

I went to a public school, kids went to public schools and this statement, as we all have our opinions, is way off. To make a statement like this you must really despise the Catholic schools and that is a shame to have that much hatred for all Catholic schools. I am sure there are plenty of violations each yr by the public schools as well as the Catholic schools. Like someone sd, it is just a matter of getting caught or not. That is why if caught, the fine and suspension periods should be more harsh making these schools think twice before letting something happen that shouldn't be going on.

 

I might be wrong but I thought swamp thing was using sarcasm to state a point that, either way the private school is always going to be perceived as in the wrong.

Actually, it's just the opposite. My child attended Catholic school and I consider myself an avid supporter of the Catholic school system. The intent of my post was not to voice my opinion of the schools but to try to voice my opinion of the critics posting here. I truely believe that those criticising this ruling as a slap on the wrist will never be satisfied with degree of punishment nor will they ever be convinced from believing that privates are cheaters,; why else can they win, if they don't cheat? I'm sorry if my post came across any way other that what I intended. By the way, I've got a lot of human frailities, bu being a hater is not one of them

 

If the private schools had the same set of rules as the public schools, I don't think there would be the finger pointing. As far as punishment, it should be the same for privates and publics. They should be swift and harsh. That would end all speculation of cheating.

I have no idea what percentage of the student body at LCA actually participates in a sport. With around 400 students and teams in football, baseball, golf, tennis, basketball, softball, track, swimming, diving, soccer, cross-country, volleyball, cheerleading, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a very high percentage of the student body are classified as athletes.

 

 

If it weren't for the potential harm it could cause some kids who don't deserve the venom they would receive from angry adults, I'd be interested to see the names and actual stats of the "athletes" who received tuition assistance in this situation. I would be surprised to discover significant "impact" players on the list.

 

I agree that actual "recruiting" should be punished to the fullest extent. I don't think that providing tuition assistance to kids who need it (and is free at all public schools) falls under the same umbrella.

 

 

Point well made. Just to bring out something that might not have been brought up with the current rules, and I believe that is being clarified in the new rules being drafted. If a student (non-athlete) received tuition assistance in middle school from a church or private foundation due to that churches or private foundation board directive, and then continued receiving assistance which is not out of the norm, on into high school, if that student receives the same assistance that they had been receiving all along, but chooses in their junior year to play a high school sport, this would fall under the interpretation of the KHSAA as recruiting. Just something to think about.

If the private schools had the same set of rules as the public schools, I don't think there would be the finger pointing. As far as punishment, it should be the same for privates and publics. They should be swift and harsh. That would end all speculation of cheating.[/QUOTE]

 

In my humble opinion, speculation of cheating by private schools will never end in the minds of some people. It is as much a part of Kentucky heritage as welfare and the entitlement of UK and the final 4

If the private schools had the same set of rules as the public schools, I don't think there would be the finger pointing.

The rules are the same.

 

How do you think they are different?

I notice your laughing:laugh:

I was, but I thought better of it. I didn't want to send the wrong attitude or message. I didn't mean to come across as a smart aleck.

 

I do find claims of "different" rules amusing. All schools in the KHSAA have the same rule book. How do you think the rules are different?

I am only posing extra thought to expound the conversation I apologize if someone construes this as justification, it is not, RECRUITING is wrong and a fair punishment assessed. As stated earlier and to clarify more, if the student (non-athlete) receives assistance, from a church or foundation outside the school, but later becomes an athlete a year or two later while still receiving the assistance, that could be considered recruiting. As I said I believe they are making those rules clearer. The point to make though is this student could be a poor athlete, but would have to choose between athletics and getting assistance. AGAIN, not saying right or wrong, more less wondering, I would think most would realize the education is more important, and if the assistance helped that, the preclusion from participating in a sport is a small price to pay for a quality education.

 

Again I apologize for typing the previous post wrong

As far a I know, our local public schools don't offer monitary assistance to the students in need and our athletic teams are represented by those who came through our feeder schools, not students from several different counties.

 

Just some observations from some country folk there Fastbreak.

I have held back from commenting one way or the other on this issue. With reading all the post/allegations and reasons for fines/punishment I have to say that I am dissapointed in LCA. True, I don't know or claim to know the entire story so I am not slamming them.

I have made some very good friends with some of the LCA people/fans through BGP and in no way do I want to cause hard feelings or "point fingers". Our teams have had a very good relationship and what is becoming to be more and more of a very big rivalry.

My only other coment on the matter and is the only thing that I have said/believed all along is that I think that private schools should play in classifications/ playoffs & Championships of their own. Public schools should have their own as well. This would not create a public/private debate as for them to compete against one another for district/regional and State Championships. Should a public or private school want to schedule one another during the course of the regular season then I don't have any problems with that.

I also purposely stay away from the Public/Private debates just bc of all the strong feelings both ways on the issue. I am a High School Football fan, I love watching the kids play and will leave all the public/private debates and legal issues to the people that take care of those things.

So as far as I a concerned............"Lets Just Play The Dang Game". :thumb: