Tim Couch, revolutionized the way high school football in Kentucky was played.

 

Even more importantly, there has never been as much national media attention for the state as when he played.

None of that makes Couch the best player.

 

And frankly, I think Hal Mumme did more to "revolutionize" Kentucky high school football than anyone.

Most of the time I would agree...but it is clearly obvious that Brohm is more savvy, with that, all other things being equal Brian gets the edge.

How is that clearly obvious?

^ One...Brian has succeeded in a MUCH bigger bubble thus far....and never faltering.....he has already been more successful at the high school level, and the college level.....

 

 

I think a criteria for being the best EVER is that you have had to win a state championship....

I would venture to say that Brian scored better on his ACT...ATHLETE? Maybe Brian did get drafted by a major league ball club.

 

I saw Tim Couch do whatever he wanted to do on the basketball court in high school. I saw him take the ball off the backboard on an alley-oop at Bell County High school and tomahawk dunk it. Brohm was a nice high school basketball player, but Couch was more athletic, much quicker and jumped a lot better. Now pure athleticism, Couch was a better athlete.

None of that makes Couch the best player.

 

And frankly, I think Hal Mumme did more to "revolutionize" Kentucky high school football than anyone.

Stats have already been posted, no need to be redundant on that aspect. His stats alone put him amongst the very best, the fact he set the National passing mark further pushes that issue along.

 

What I posted are two intangibles which I DO feel helps seperate candidates when you make an argument. Kentucky high school football has long been regarded as weak in regards to the other states, Couch provided positive media.

 

As for Mumme revolutionizing the state, do you really think Hal Mumme would have ever gotten the chance to be UK's coach if not for Couch being on the roster and the way Curry handled him? It's sort of like the "Which came first: the chicken or the egg?" Bottom line, when UK hired Mumme as a coach it had alot to do with giving Couch the opportunity to throw the ball. That fact alone speaks volumes for his talent.

The problem is that Couch's game was all about the run and shoot, which has turned out to be a fad as he benefitted from timing more than anything...most attempts were under 10 yards while trying to nickel and dime a defense and maybe busting one after a while..that can't be done game in and game out in the NFL, further exposing the weakness in arm strength that is obvious that Couch had.

I went with the #1 pick in the NFL draft...

One guy not mentioned that deserves it is Don Gullitt. Didn't he score 70+ points in a game?

Best D Lineman Chester Ford

Best O Lineman Phil Ratcliff ( I didn't see Dermonti Dawson)

Best QB Tim Couch

Best WR Gerad Parker

Best TE Derek Smith

Best RB Shaun Alexander

Best LB not sure maybe Brent Grover

Best DB Ben Revere

Best all around player Mike Bush

Guys like Doug Beumont, Dontae Wright, Brian Brohm, Justin Burke, Jerad Lorenzen, Chris Lofton, Montrelle Jones, Mike West, Justin Frisk, Jacob Tamme, Chris Redman, Justin Haddix, William Murrell, Brandon Berger, Nick Meadows, Al Baker, Curtis Pulley, Eric Shelton etc have arguments too but I tried to go by the players I felt that I saw that I thought were the best.

^ One...Brian has succeeded in a MUCH bigger bubble thus far....and never faltering.....he has already been more successful at the high school level, and the college level.....

 

 

I think a criteria for being the best EVER is that you have had to win a state championship....

I thought this was based on the HS accomplishments? Not to sound redundant, but so you'd exclude Marino from a best ever conversation about NFL QB's?? Both of these players are remarkable HS athletes, but to say that one is CLEARLY better than the other......well, IMO your just homering it up there. Just to make sure I'm clear, Shaun Alexander is NOT in the conversation as one of the best HS RB's because he didn't win a state championship? Surely you jest.........

 

I'll tit for tat your comments about the run and shoot with the fact that Brohm didn't HAVE to throw the ball every down. He had some pretty good athletes in McBroom and May running behind him, a solid oline, not to mention IMO probably one of the best HS coordinators in the country calling the shots. Football is a team game, and playing for a great program like Trinity certainly helped Brian out. IMO that's a testament to how great the T program is top to bottom. One great player cannot win state titles by himself, just ask Shaun Alexander.......

Michael Bush is the most dominant football player I've ever seen in person.

 

Jared Lorenzen is the best quarterback.

 

 

offside

Anyone have any info on Travis Atwell from Hancock

72 TDs in one season?

Guess not:confused:

Tim Couch, revolutionized the way high school football in Kentucky was played.

 

Even more importantly, there has never been as much national media attention for the state as when he played.

Was Couch on the cover of SI while in high school?

Cant go wrong with Bush... but I like Dennis Johnson too.

The problem is that Couch's game was all about the run and shoot, which has turned out to be a fad as he benefitted from timing more than anything...most attempts were under 10 yards while trying to nickel and dime a defense and maybe busting one after a while..that can't be done game in and game out in the NFL, further exposing the weakness in arm strength that is obvious that Couch had.

I didn't see Couch play in HS so I have no idea what kind of offense Leslie Co ran. Most of what you have said above is what he ran at UK. I believe Mike Whitaker was Couch's HS coach and I know he never ran that type of offense at Christian Co.

When you understand where Tim Couch came from, the type of programs they had before him (I'm not knocking Leslie Co. they usually have a solid mountain program) and the ones after him it is amazing the level he and his teammates got to. When you compare him to the others on the list (most came from always high level programs) he wins hands down IMO. I wish he could have played professional ball on a team with a line to protect him he would been a much better pro. I loved watching him from the 9th grade to the Browns and really watching him at UK.

 

Hands down??? He didn't face half the competition that Shaun Alexander did.