And it's win loss record suffers heavily from CovCath's willingness to play the tough Ohio schools, and thus is very misleading.

 

FWIW...from 2000 through 2008, here's what I got for CovCath...

 

60-32 vs. KY (that includes 2 forfeit wins over HHS from '04)

2-19 vs. non-KY

16-7 in the post-season (includes one forfeit win over HHS from '04)

 

So, depending on how you want to look at it, CovCath vs. state competition is either 58-34 or 60-32.

 

In that 9 year span, they have one state title, two regional titles, one region runner-up, 5 second round losses and one first round loss.

 

60-32 (.652)....58-34 (.630)

2-19 (.095)

16-7 (.696).....15-8 (.652)

 

62-51 (.549)

I think DragonFire pretty much nailed it...

 

Trinity, Highlands, Boyle County, Belfry, Danville and Beechwood

 

You can possibly argue two or three of those, but ultimately anyone you choose to argue falls short of what each of those schools have accomplished, IMO.

 

And, Trinity is the overall champion without question.

Watusi,

Your #'s for Lex Cath appear based upon the fact they were forced to forfeit a large # of games after the fact. Regardless of right or wrong on whether we should regard the games they were forced to forfeit, the fact is if we consider the school's real record its even better then you have there. Still, I'd say Trinity, Highlands, Boyle Co., Danville, Beechwood, and St. X rank a bit higher.

All true, but they are also 2-0 against NCC, which you rate as one of the top two 2A teams?

Which again, took place in the last two years. There is no denying the dominance of Fort Campbell in the last two years, but they perennially underachieved before that point. Up the line you noted their 15-5 record in the playoffs this decade. Eliminate the last two years and you'll get a pretty clear picture of their playoff performance for the vast majority of the decade. (5-5)

 

Fort Campbell has 15 playoff wins. NewCath and Danville have more than double that. Each team also has 20+ more regular season wins as well. I think each team had 6 regional titles compared to Fort Campbell's two.

 

I'm not certain what you're wanting to argue here. There are certainly merits that Fort Campbell has, but it is incredibly clear that outside of state titles that their resume falls far short of either Danville or Newport Central Catholic.

Well now you've gone and done it, we all know Trinity would play up two classes if they could.

 

If we had two more classes Trinity would be the biggest in that class probably based on Male enrollment wouldn't they?

So, depending on how you want to look at it, CovCath vs. state competition is either 58-34 or 60-32.

 

In that 9 year span, they have one state title, two regional titles, one region runner-up, 5 second round losses and one first round loss.

 

They also have 3 losing seasons out of those 9. I don't view a .630 win percentage versus instate competition as anything elite either. It is quite common actually.

Which again, took place in the last two years. There is no denying the dominance of Fort Campbell in the last two years, but they perennially underachieved before that point. Up the line you noted their 15-5 record in the playoffs this decade. Eliminate the last two years and you'll get a pretty clear picture of their playoff performance for the vast majority of the decade. (5-5)

 

Fort Campbell has 15 playoff wins. NewCath and Danville have more than double that. Each team also has 20+ more regular season wins as well. I think each team had 6 regional titles compared to Fort Campbell's two.

 

I'm not certain what you're wanting to argue here. There are certainly merits that Fort Campbell has, but it is incredibly clear that outside of state titles that their resume falls far short of either Danville or Newport Central Catholic.

 

My point is that Danville and NCCs dominance was in 1A not 2A. However, you’re right that Fort Campbell did nothing the first two years of the decade, as I also mentioned above. For the record I’m not saying Fort Campbell should be the best 2A team of the decade….yet. As of right now I would say Belfry. Not Danville or NCC.

Watusi,

Your #'s for Lex Cath appear based upon the fact they were forced to forfeit a large # of games after the fact. Regardless of right or wrong on whether we should regard the games they were forced to forfeit, the fact is if we consider the school's real record its even better then you have there. Still, I'd say Trinity, Highlands, Boyle Co., Danville, Beechwood, and St. X rank a bit higher.

:thumb: True.

 

I used the KHSAA overall records for both Highlands and LexCath, each of which reflects several forfeits. I didn't make any judgements or changes, I just simply used the official KHSAA win/loss records

Here is another chart of the same 20 teams I listed earlier, but it includes the playoff records and win% over the 9 year span 2000-2008.

 

This chart is sorted by playoff win %

 

In the playoff columns, I counted the total playoff wins/losses earned on the field for HHS and LexCath because they were allowed to move on in competition and even though officially a forfeit may show up in a year, the team moved on in competition.

 

 

	Regular Season			Playoffs
W	L	Win %	Titles	W	L	Win %
Trinity	116	15	88.55%	7	40	2	95.24%
Boyle Co	106	20	84.13%	4	31	5	86.11%
Highlands	92	34	73.02%	4	31	5	86.11%
Danville	103	22	82.40%	3	30	6	83.33%
Beechwood	103	21	83.06%	3	28	6	82.35%
Newport Central	105	24	81.40%	2	32	7	82.05%
Belfry	101	24	80.80%	2	28	7	80.00%
Mayfield	92	34	73.02%	1	28	8	77.78%
Russell	94	26	78.33%	1	22	7	75.86%
Fort Campbell	78	32	70.91%	2	15	5	75.00%
Lex Cath	79	39	66.95%	2	21	7	75.00%
Central	75	38	66.37%	2	18	6	75.00%
Male	98	23	80.99%	1	23	8	74.19%
St. Xavier	105	17	86.07%	1	25	9	73.53%
Bardstown	78	35	69.03%	1	16	7	69.57%
Bell Co	92	22	80.70%	1	17	8	68.00%
Bowling Gr	95	23	80.51%		19	9	67.86%
Breathitt Co	86	27	76.11%	1	15	8	65.22%
Cov Cath	62	51	54.87%	1	15	8	65.22%
Mercer	70	35	66.67%	1	7	8	46.67%

My point is that Danville and NCCs dominance was in 1A not 2A. However, you’re right that Fort Campbell did nothing the first two years of the decade, as I also mentioned above. For the record I’m not saying Fort Campbell should be the best 2A team of the decade….yet. As of right now I would say Belfry. Not Danville or NCC.

 

You have to take into account that NCC went to the finals 6 times in 9 years.

If we had two more classes Trinity would be the biggest in that class probably based on Male enrollment wouldn't they?

 

True. This will probably start a firestorm from the Trinity folks (and as great fans I wouldn't be surprised) and I'm obviously biased in favor of Highlands, but when I compare Trinity's accomplishments as one of the largest schools in its classification to what Highlands has done while playing up and playing out of state schools much larger than it, even though Trinity's record is better, I think Highlands accomplishments are more impressive. I know there is nothing Trinity can do about playing larger Ky schools (there aren't many) and the fact they have to beat another exceptional program to win their championships (Lou. X) is extremely impressive, but the lack of games against national powerhouses or against out of state schools much larger than Trinity somewhat lessens Trinity's accomplishments in my eyes. I fully realize the cost and expense of playing those games, so no need to point that out to me. If Trinity was playing and beating schools from Texas, Georgia, California and Ohio (on a more regular basis as to Ohio) I might not feel Highlands accomplishments were more impressive. But Trinity hasn't done that (yet?).

 

And Rock fans, please, please do not twist my post into something portraying a lack of respect for Trinity. I am one of the Rocks biggest admirers and supporters specifically and private schools generally. Trinity has a first class program with kids, coaches and fans everyone should commend.

 

Don't get your boxers in a bunch Rock fans. It's just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

My point is that Danville and NCCs dominance was in 1A not 2A. However, you’re right that Fort Campbell did nothing the first two years of the decade, as I also mentioned above. For the record I’m not saying Fort Campbell should be the best 2A team of the decade….yet. As of right now I would say Belfry. Not Danville or NCC.

 

Well, that's why we discussed up the line about where you slot the teams. I chose to place them based upon their current classifications, which places Belfry in the 3A class. I also said if we were basing upon our old classes:

 

Under the old class system (using those years only), I'd say:

 

1A: Danville

2A: Belfry

3A: Boyle County

4A: Trinity

 

3A is the only one you even have to think about with Boyle County and Highlands very very close. Danville is more clear cut under the old system as they had more titles and as many runners-up as NewCath.

 

Overall, it's Trinity pretty doggone easily.

If we had two more classes Trinity would be the biggest in that class probably based on Male enrollment wouldn't they?

 

:ohbrother:

Given Cov Cath's lack of recent playoff success (1 title since 1994 or 1997), maybe they ought to rethink this strategy.

 

Well honestly, Cov Cath doesn't have the same historically long standing, strong traditions as teams like Male, Manual, or Highlands. I don't think they're even as old as Trinity or St. X's teams. They've only had a football team since 1967...not quite the same as Manual's 117 year old program, Male's 116 year old program, or Highlands' 94 year old program. Also, their school simply isn't drawing as many young men as the Louisville powerhouses. That, and the fact that they are as "close" as they are to other successful public school programs (Beechwood, Highlands, Boone County, and Ryle are all within 20 miles), they don't necessarily always have numbers of players who's parents opt to pay the $5,000+ tuition at Cov Cath when their kids can go to a very good public school with a very good football team for free.

 

All of that being said, they still have a very good football program, that has historically found a good deal of success. Still, Cov Cath has had a LOT of changes in their program. They had the same coach, Lynn Ray, since 1975, and he retired following the '04 season. They got a new coach in '05 who came from an Ohio GCL background, and brought the GCL spread offense with him. He fired the program up enough in two years to get a state championship on the shoulders of a pretty talented squad. The following year, he left for a "better head coaching position" back in the GCL at Bishop Moeller. Cov Cath was left to find a new coach with little time in mid-spring.

 

The new coach came on in '07 and never really clicked with the program or community, and the team's record certainly reflected that. After he resigned following last year's season, Cov Cath got coach Dave Wirth, who had been defensive coordinator under Lynn Ray for 3 seasons (Ray had been the previous D.C.). He is returning from a head coaching position in the GCL, where he had successfully turned around the Hamilton Badin football program to make it's first playoff appearance in 7 years last season.

 

Things are looking up with coach Wirth, and Cov Cath is excited to see what this season will bring.

Edited July 31, 200917 yr by Colonels_Wear_Blue

As bad as I hate to say it, ... the team of this decade has to be Trinity. There are some very solid teams to consider, but their results are more than impressive.