Sportsfan, I don't really think anybody who's expressing displeasure on this thread with the decision is really so out of touch with reality to think that this is a life-or-death situation. Everyone survived without coverage of HS sports back in the days when there was no coverage - somehow! :lol:

 

It's just that this has become what you could call a "community asset". Something that ties the people in a community together. And NKY broadcasters have helped knit the NKY basketball community closer together with their contributions. They should be thanked and appreciated for the sacrifices they are making - and, speaking as a webcaster from another region, I guarantee you that they are making $$ and time sacrifices - not spoken of as if they are whiny and self-serving. That's totally inappropriate.

 

Will the 9th and 10th survive the "Blackout of 2009"? Sure. Is it necessary? No. Is it going to result in any positives for anyone? Not a chance. Is NKY losing something in the deal. Certainly. This, unfortunately, is the bottom-line.

 

Good luck to you guys...hope it eventually works out for you.

 

Very likely the best post in the thread. I'll be all NKY next week calling games at the district level and the week after I will be at UC and X because of the decision on the 9th region "black out". Looking forward to a great time at Holy Cross and Boone County...

Understood, from what I have been told it is 40k to 25k boys to girls.

Title X issue?

 

I am not sure what Title X is...but I am thinking you are referring to Title IX?

I am not sure what Title X is...but I am thinking you are referring to Title IX?

 

LOL...good catch.

I have been crammed in to Holmes, Conner and Ryle's gyms over the years for more games than I care to recall. I enjoyed the atmosphere of every single one of them. A bit uncomfortable but a great HIGH SCHOOL environment. SMG (the Philadelphia company that runs the BOK) cares absolutely zero about the 9th or 10th Regions or Kentucky basketball tradition. SMG could not care less that shut-ins, servicemen/women or out of town relatives cannot attend. As great as NKU and the Bank of KY arena are, I would support never again turning over the event to SMG. A few details on SMG:

SMG manages arenas and civic centers across the United States, in Puerto Rico, Canada and Europe, which host virtually every type of arena-oriented event imaginable.

 

With more than 1.5 million managed seats, SMG arenas stage everything:

 

Professional basketball

Professional hockey

Minor league sporting events

NCAA collegiate sporting events

Family shows such as Disney on Ice and Ringling Bros./Barnum and Bailey Circus

Plus the biggest concert tours of the biggest names in music

Across the country and around the world, the biggest events happen at SMG-managed facilities.

 

1st Mariner Arena (Baltimore, Maryland)

American Bank Center Arena (Corpus Christi, Texas)

Arena Santiago (Santiago, Chile)

Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall (Atlantic City, New Jersey)

Bank of Kentucky Center (Highland Heights, Kentucky)

BankAtlantic Center (Sunrise, Florida)

Baton Rouge River Center Arena (Baton Rouge, Louisiana)

Big Sandy Superstore Arena (Huntington, West Virginia)

Blue Cross Arena (Rochester, New York)

Cabarrus Arena and Events Center (Concord, North Carolina)

Canton Memorial Civic Center (Canton, Ohio)

CenturyTel Center Arena (Bossier City, Louisiana)

Chevrolet Centre (Youngstown, Ohio)

Coliseo De Puerto Rico (Hato Rey, Puerto Rico)

Colorado State Fair (Pueblo, Colorado)

DCU Center Arena (Worcester, Massachusetts)

DeVos Field House at Hope College (Holland, Michigan)

Diddle Arena (Bowling Green, Kentucky)

Dunkin' Donuts Center (Providence, Rhode Island)

Eastern Kentucky Expo Center (Pikeville, Kentucky)

Five Flags Center Arena (Dubuque, Iowa)

Florence Civic Center (Florence, South Carolina)

Ford Arena (Beaumont, Texas)

Ford Center (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)

George M. Sullivan Sports Arena (Anchorage, Alaska)

Hershey Centre (Mississauga, Ontario)

Idaho Center Arena (Nampa, Idaho)

Intrust Bank Arena (Wichita, Kansas)

Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena (Jacksonville, Florida)

John A. Carlson Center (Fairbanks, Alaska)

John Paul Jones Arena (Charlottesville, Virginia)

K-Rock Centre (Kingston, Ontario)

Koenig-Pilsener Arena (Oberhausen, Germany)

Landon Arena (Topeka, Kansas)

Laredo Entertainment Center (Laredo, Texas)

Leeds Arena (Manchester, United Kingdom)

Long Beach Arena (Long Beach, California)

Lucas County Arena (Toledo, Ohio)

Manchester Evening News Arena (Manchester, United Kingdom)

Mellon Arena (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Metroradio Arena (Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom)

Mid-America Center Arena (Council Bluffs, Iowa)

Mobile Civic Center (Mobile, Alabama)

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum (Uniondale, New York)

Nationwide Arena (Columbus, Ohio)

New Orleans Arena (New Orleans, Louisiana)

North Charleston Coliseum (North Charleston, South Carolina)

Odyssey Arena (Belfast, Northern Ireland)

Oracle Arena (Oakland, California)

Oslo Spektrum (Oslo, Norway)

Paul E. Tsongas Arena (Lowell, Massachusetts)

Pensacola Civic Center (Pensacola, Florida)

Peoria Civic Center (Peoria, Illinois)

Pershing Auditorium (Lincoln, Nebraska)

Petersen Events Center (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Rabobank Arena (Bakersfield, California)

Reliant Arena (Houston, Texas)

Richmond Coliseum (Richmond, Virginia)

Roberts Stadium (Evansville, Indiana)

Save Mart Center (Fresno, California)

Selland Arena (Fresno, California)

ShoWare Center at Kent (Kent, Washington)

Silver Spurs Arena (Kissimmee, Florida)

Sioux Falls Arena (Sioux Falls, South Dakota)

Southeastern Kentucky Agricultural & Exposition Center (Corbin, Kentucky)

Sovereign Center (Reading, Pennsylvania)

The Arena at Gwinnett Center (Duluth, Georgia)

The Arena at the Dow Event Center (Saginaw, Michigan)

The BOK Center (Tulsa, Oklahoma)

The Forum (Inglewood, California)

Times Union Center (Albany, New York)

University Center Arena at Nova Southeastern University (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)

Van Andel Arena (Grand Rapids, Michigan)

Verizon Wireless Arena (Manchester, New Hampshire)

Wachovia Arena at Casey Plaza (Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania)

Wolstein Center (Cleveland, Ohio)

I have been crammed in to Holmes, Conner and Ryle's gyms over the years for more games than I care to recall. I enjoyed the atmosphere of every single one of them. A bit uncomfortable but a great HIGH SCHOOL environment. SMG (the Philadelphia company that runs the BOK) cares absolutely zero about the 9th or 10th Regions or Kentucky basketball tradition. SMG could not care less that shut-ins, servicemen/women or out of town relatives cannot attend. As great as NKU and the Bank of KY arena are, I would support never again turning over the event to SMG. A few details on SMG:

SMG manages arenas and civic centers across the United States, in Puerto Rico, Canada and Europe, which host virtually every type of arena-oriented event imaginable.

 

With more than 1.5 million managed seats, SMG arenas stage everything:

 

Professional basketball

Professional hockey

Minor league sporting events

NCAA collegiate sporting events

Family shows such as Disney on Ice and Ringling Bros./Barnum and Bailey Circus

Plus the biggest concert tours of the biggest names in music

Across the country and around the world, the biggest events happen at SMG-managed facilities.

 

1st Mariner Arena (Baltimore, Maryland)

American Bank Center Arena (Corpus Christi, Texas)

Arena Santiago (Santiago, Chile)

Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall (Atlantic City, New Jersey)

Bank of Kentucky Center (Highland Heights, Kentucky)

BankAtlantic Center (Sunrise, Florida)

Baton Rouge River Center Arena (Baton Rouge, Louisiana)

Big Sandy Superstore Arena (Huntington, West Virginia)

Blue Cross Arena (Rochester, New York)

Cabarrus Arena and Events Center (Concord, North Carolina)

Canton Memorial Civic Center (Canton, Ohio)

CenturyTel Center Arena (Bossier City, Louisiana)

Chevrolet Centre (Youngstown, Ohio)

Coliseo De Puerto Rico (Hato Rey, Puerto Rico)

Colorado State Fair (Pueblo, Colorado)

DCU Center Arena (Worcester, Massachusetts)

DeVos Field House at Hope College (Holland, Michigan)

Diddle Arena (Bowling Green, Kentucky)

Dunkin' Donuts Center (Providence, Rhode Island)

Eastern Kentucky Expo Center (Pikeville, Kentucky)

Five Flags Center Arena (Dubuque, Iowa)

Florence Civic Center (Florence, South Carolina)

Ford Arena (Beaumont, Texas)

Ford Center (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)

George M. Sullivan Sports Arena (Anchorage, Alaska)

Hershey Centre (Mississauga, Ontario)

Idaho Center Arena (Nampa, Idaho)

Intrust Bank Arena (Wichita, Kansas)

Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena (Jacksonville, Florida)

John A. Carlson Center (Fairbanks, Alaska)

John Paul Jones Arena (Charlottesville, Virginia)

K-Rock Centre (Kingston, Ontario)

Koenig-Pilsener Arena (Oberhausen, Germany)

Landon Arena (Topeka, Kansas)

Laredo Entertainment Center (Laredo, Texas)

Leeds Arena (Manchester, United Kingdom)

Long Beach Arena (Long Beach, California)

Lucas County Arena (Toledo, Ohio)

Manchester Evening News Arena (Manchester, United Kingdom)

Mellon Arena (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Metroradio Arena (Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom)

Mid-America Center Arena (Council Bluffs, Iowa)

Mobile Civic Center (Mobile, Alabama)

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum (Uniondale, New York)

Nationwide Arena (Columbus, Ohio)

New Orleans Arena (New Orleans, Louisiana)

North Charleston Coliseum (North Charleston, South Carolina)

Odyssey Arena (Belfast, Northern Ireland)

Oracle Arena (Oakland, California)

Oslo Spektrum (Oslo, Norway)

Paul E. Tsongas Arena (Lowell, Massachusetts)

Pensacola Civic Center (Pensacola, Florida)

Peoria Civic Center (Peoria, Illinois)

Pershing Auditorium (Lincoln, Nebraska)

Petersen Events Center (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Rabobank Arena (Bakersfield, California)

Reliant Arena (Houston, Texas)

Richmond Coliseum (Richmond, Virginia)

Roberts Stadium (Evansville, Indiana)

Save Mart Center (Fresno, California)

Selland Arena (Fresno, California)

ShoWare Center at Kent (Kent, Washington)

Silver Spurs Arena (Kissimmee, Florida)

Sioux Falls Arena (Sioux Falls, South Dakota)

Southeastern Kentucky Agricultural & Exposition Center (Corbin, Kentucky)

Sovereign Center (Reading, Pennsylvania)

The Arena at Gwinnett Center (Duluth, Georgia)

The Arena at the Dow Event Center (Saginaw, Michigan)

The BOK Center (Tulsa, Oklahoma)

The Forum (Inglewood, California)

Times Union Center (Albany, New York)

University Center Arena at Nova Southeastern University (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)

Van Andel Arena (Grand Rapids, Michigan)

Verizon Wireless Arena (Manchester, New Hampshire)

Wachovia Arena at Casey Plaza (Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania)

Wolstein Center (Cleveland, Ohio)

 

Do you think that in this list somewhere that High School Basketball is played at one of these venues?? Wonder if they are blacked out too???

At $8 a ticket they need to sell a total of 8125 tickets for the event to get to $65,000...

 

Don't they have to cover their other expenses or do you expect them to lose money on this event? I don't know many business (and operating BOK is a business) that stay around long losing money.

Sportsfan, I don't really think anybody who's expressing displeasure on this thread with the decision is really so out of touch with reality to think that this is a life-or-death situation. Everyone survived without coverage of HS sports back in the days when there was no coverage - somehow! :lol:

 

It's just that this has become what you could call a "community asset". Something that ties the people in a community together. And NKY broadcasters have helped knit the NKY basketball community closer together with their contributions. They should be thanked and appreciated for the sacrifices they are making - and, speaking as a webcaster from another region, I guarantee you that they are making $$ and time sacrifices - not spoken of as if they are whiny and self-serving. That's totally inappropriate.

 

Will the 9th and 10th survive the "Blackout of 2009"? Sure. Is it necessary? No. Is it going to result in any positives for anyone? Not a chance. Is NKY losing something in the deal. Certainly. This, unfortunately, is the bottom-line.

 

Good luck to you guys...hope it eventually works out for you.

 

Yet as another poster posted, he/she stated something to the effect that he/she had never seen so many passionate posts in such a short time. To me at least it seems like a whole lot of people are kind of over reacting to not being able to listen to some high school basketball games.

Do you think that in this list somewhere that High School Basketball is played at one of these venues?? Wonder if they are blacked out too???

 

The Fourth Region plays games at Diddle Arena at WKU which is on the SMG list of accounts. The girl's championship is played at Diddle. I had the same question.

I guess I still can't fathom how the broadcasting restrictions are going to result in lost revenues. The folks that were going to attend are still going to attend; the folks that weren't going to attend still won't. It's the folks that can't attend that are being disenfranchised.

The vast majority of posts are not taking issue with BOK not permitting live television coverage of the games. (Although the attempt to sell the TV rights for 10K is a bit over the top.) The NFL has a live television blackout. Even the NFL does not black out live radio coverage, blog coverage, live scoreboard posts, etc. BOK is mandating a complete blackout. No local radio, internet or video tape delay. Reporters are not allowed to bring computers to the arena. This shut down approach to the flow of information reflects negatively on NKU.

 

Flotsam, that distinction is a very good and valid point. I can only guess, and it's a guess, that the NFL determined that radio/blog coverage would not hurt attendance to the extent that tv coverage would; and that the company that operates BOK (and evidently a whole lot of other arenas) has determined, perhaps from a whole lot of experience in operating all those other arenas, that radio/blog coverage of high school games would hurt attendance.

 

Again, for the second time, I'd prefer to see the games covered by the radio/internet, but a contract was negotiated and signed that gave BOK exclusive broadcasting rights. To now ask BOK to make a unilateral concession is a bit over the top, unrealistic and frankly unfair. If the fans feel so strongly about it, contact their schools (not the President of NKU who has much more important things to be concerned with, like dealing with funding issues in Frankfort) and tell them that the schools should give up their guarantee money so people unable to attend the games can hear it on the radio/internet.

Yet as another poster posted, he/she stated something to the effect that he/she had never seen so many passionate posts in such a short time. To me at least it seems like a whole lot of people are kind of over reacting to not being able to listen to some high school basketball games.

 

The phenomenon that you are witnessing is the passion for basketball in the 10th region. Maybe this is a stretch, but perhaps it is akin to having no opportunity to listen to a HHS football broadcast should circumstances prevent one from being there in person.

I guess I still can't fathom how the broadcasting restrictions are going to result in lost revenues. The folks that were going to attend are still going to attend; the folks that weren't going to attend still won't. It's the folks that can't attend that are being disenfranchised.

 

Again my point is that evidently some venue operators would disagree with you. I can tell you this, I've had tickets to various sporting events; when I found the event was on tv, I didn't go. Perhaps that is not a valid corollary for radio/internet broadcasts of high school games; I honestly don't know. But evidently the operator of BOK thinks it is, put it in the contract and the schools agreed to it. Perhaps, at least in the case of the 9th region, they will relax the rule even more next year if they determine, based on this year's attendence, that they can do so.

 

Being disenfrachised? Don't you think that's being a tad bit melodramatic?

The phenomenon that you are witnessing is the passion for basketball in the 10th region. Maybe this is a stretch, but perhaps it is akin to having no opportunity to listen to a HHS football broadcast should circumstances prevent one from being there in person.

 

 

Highlands football games are not broadcasted (except when we are beating CovCath and we get to listen to their broadcasters complain:D:D. Just kidding CovCath fans; you know I have a lot of respect for your program.) and we seem to do just fine. I've yet to hear any Highlands fan unable to be there in person to watch Highlands play football complain anywhere near the degree I've read on this site (although I've read some Highlands fans bitterly complaining about the move to Bowling Green. Sorry Birdsfan. :D)

Do you think that in this list somewhere that High School Basketball is played at one of these venues?? Wonder if they are blacked out too???

The Expo Center in Pikeville is on the list, too ...

I guess I still can't fathom how the broadcasting restrictions are going to result in lost revenues. The folks that were going to attend are still going to attend; the folks that weren't going to attend still won't. It's the folks that can't attend that are being disenfranchised.

 

And how many of these folks will you see with a radio/earpiece so they can listen to thier local radio guy broadcast the game? It is great to have that play-by-play.