This may just be the funniest thing I have ever read regarding the public vs. private issue.

 

Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would go on if the KHSAA ever tried to permanently remove a school from post-season play?

 

Thats the problem, The KHSAA has no real teeth.

I don't think we are that far off from each other.

 

"Monetary gain", and correct me if I am wrong, the article stated that at least one student/athlete received over $10,000, and several people have stated that tuition at LCA is $7,000 give or take. I see that as monetary gain.

 

I don't see going to a school for free as monetary gain, if you go to school "A" and it cost you the same as going to school "B" or "C", then that is not monetary gain, but if you make $3,000 for going to school "A" and make nothing going to school "B" or "C", that is wrong.

 

Monetary gain is recruiting pure and simple. Contacting a student/athlete, and asking them to come to your school is recruiting. If the student/athlete or the parents of the student/athlete contact the school and inquire about attending that school, that is not recruiting.

You are correct in stating that we are not too far apart on this.

 

I agree that any amount over and above actual tuition and school costs, (which include books, extracurricular participation and equipment fees) which are all covered free of cost at public schools does raise eyebrows and could very well indicate a situation of "monetary gain."

 

I simply find it disingenuous and misleading for those who assert that tuition and other basic school costs that are not above and beyond what public school kids receive for free is somehow a monetary gain.

Highlands has never ever been accused or investigated by the KHSAA for recruiting if that's what you meant by your post. If they were found guilty of illegally luring students to Highlands (i.e. recruiting), I'd expect the sanctions to be as severe as the "crime" necessitated. Nothing more; nothing less.

 

The Mitchell case did not involve any allegations of improperly luring a kid to Highlands. Highlands was sanctioned by the KHSAA because the school erroneously (at least in the eyes of the KHSAA) took the position that a judicial order trumped the ruling of the KHSAA; a position that every attorney I've spoken to (except the KHSAA's legal counsel) about the issue, including the State's Dept of Education's general counsel and a couple of judges, agrees with by the way. I remain convinced that if Highlands choose to appeal the issue to the courts, Highlands would have prevailed. They choose not to because by then Mueller had already served "his sentence", the fine was insubstantial in the grand scheme of the legal fees the district would have had to pay to take the issue to court, we knew that we had done the right thing and while the forfeits are at times "painful", the school was not interested in having a very public dispute with the KHSAA. We've been in good standing with the KHSAA for a long time and have never had a difference of opinion on anything other than this matter.

 

By the way, the only thing that the KHSAA hung their hat on in denying eligibility to Mitchell was the fact that the Mitchells had failed to sell their former home in Florence. Since that decision, the KHSAA has on several occasions started granting eligibility even if the former residence was not sold. They've come to their senses. There are many, many legit reasons not to want to sell former residences. The KHSAA didn't even explore why the Mitchells didn't want to sell their former residence; rather they took a hard and fast position that a move is never bona fide if the former home is not sold; a position that they no longer follow. Just a FWIW.

 

 

Hey...easy on me LN! :scared::scared:

I remember the Herald Leader saying that 16 of the 18 students in question were athletes, but did it specifically say which sport? Just curious as to why this thread is under the football forum?

I am having some confusion on this part that you are mentioning here. Now I know LCA's tuition is approx $7,000 dollars a school year. From how I took the financial aid, it seemed like the $10,000 for instance provided for that one person was the only amount provided ever. Now times the tuition by four years that the student attends the school and suddenly the family is making no money on this.

 

I guess my point is, are these athletes recieving $10,000 dollars a year? Cause then you and a bunch of other people in this thread are right in assuming the family is getting extra money here. However if the student is only recieving the one lump sum then aren't they only recieving one year's tuition plus a little less then half of another year's tuition? Then no money goes in the pocket like it seems to be claimed is what is happening by other people who have read this article.

 

If it was $10,000 over four years, then I stand corrected. I just understood it be for one academic year. Again, I may have misunderstood.

Who believes this garbage?

 

 

All they wanted was a championship caliber football team. This had nothing to do with wanting deversity.

Thats the problem, The KHSAA has no real teeth.

 

And that's exactly what the private schools proposal to have a real enforcement division would have done, give the KHSAA some teeth. Yet for some reason the public schools voted it down.:confused: All of you that are crucifying the KHSAA for not doing enough need to keep that in mind.

 

Now in my very limited mind you can't have it both ways. You can't complain that the KHSAA does little or nothing when wrong doing is found while at the same time voting down a proposal that would have addressed just this issue.

What does probation mean to Lex Christian's program? What are the actual penalties?

 

 

They were fined $13,000.00, put on probation for 1 year and all of the kids parents involved have to payback the money.

Hey...easy on me LN! :scared::scared:

 

Sorry:D

Sorry:D

 

That is officially LN's shortest post ever.

Sorry:D

 

Thank you!

I won't say all private schools cheat.

 

Let me say why does Trinity or St. X need to cheat? Look at facilities. By far best in the state. No need the school recruits itself. Just by winning and having the best facilities.

 

As for other schools trying to get to that level we have had 3 private schools with in the last 5 years get caught. Holy Cross of Lou. , Lex Cath and now LCA.

 

My argument is make stiffer penalties for all involved. Ban players, schools and boosters and this will stop. These fines are a waste of time. Once the fine is paid the pain is gone.

 

I know of public schools that try the samething. Currently we have an 8th grader is being approached by a rival school. I seen this happen at the last home basketball game. So I know it goes on. I just want the wimpy KHSAA to step up to the plate.

 

They love punishing kids when they transfer. So why won't the get the gts to do it when it is legit?

 

In the case of Holy Cross, they received a fairly small fine, around $5,000 I think, and they were forced to not allow the head football coach double as the admissions director. The coach was let go by the school. Not good for the coach in question, but they carried on and have not been too negatively affected. The problem with their case was that it took several years of constant prodding by the offending school to finally get it resolved even though it was a clear-cut case of recruiting. The problem lies with the KHSAA that is unwilling to aggressively pursue these cases and come down with harsh penalties when the allegations are proven.

Thank you!

 

I'm still just a little angry over that case. Thanks for understanding.

That is officially LN's shortest post ever.

 

True

Above all else, it just seems to me that these private school have an open door through which any student can come without any fear of reprisal from KHSAA. Public schools, on the other hand, are yoked with rules that prevent such actions. We are a small school--325 in high school--and we play the kids we have and make the best of it. Fortunatley for us, we have been able to motivate our kids and produce a successful program in most sports, but when you go up against a school that can pick and choose who they want to accept from within no particular boundary--then the field of play is skewed by outside factors.

 

I feel the only way this situation can be corrected is to have the public school compete against their own while the private school do the same. Then, there will be no problem with equality between the two different types of programs. I believe this system is already in place in some states and working quite well.