6 hours ago, CincySportsFan said:

In my honest opinion, this is the number one failure in this whole thing.  The message about masking has been weak and all over the place.  Right off the bat, there should have been a clear and concise message about why the general public is wearing certain types of masks and why medical professionals are wearing others.  But, there wasn't.  So, even now we have fairly intelligent people still making statements that are blatantly wrong (or misguided, at best).

The messaging doesn’t matter.  Folks will hear what they want.   

San Francisco schools report zero Covid outbreaks after 90% of eligible students are fully vaccinated.  

1 hour ago, PurplePride92 said:

The messaging doesn’t matter.  Folks will hear what they want.   

Truth. In addition, people seek information and sources that are most likely to feed their beliefs. As media became more available with cable and streaming it fragmented into feeding the beliefs of their viewers. All of this is a major contributor to the polarization in our society.

18 hours ago, Beechwoodfan said:

I chose to get the vaccine and am happy I did.  That being said, as a nurse I know that paper masks and cloth masks help contain the spread of the wearers’ cough/sneezes, which in turn protects others from exposure. They do zero to stop anyone from inhaling the Covid virus.  The virus passes easily through regular masks. To prevent inhaling the virus you would have to have an N95 mask, which is not easy to breathe through long term.  So, if you think wearing a mask will protect you against the virus, that’s unlikely, unless it is an N 95.

i saw a guy at a casino last week jumping game to game with a paper mask and gloves on. Ridiculous.

Yup, without the N95 people are basically virtue singling.

18 hours ago, Beechwoodfan said:

I chose to get the vaccine and am happy I did.  That being said, as a nurse I know that paper masks and cloth masks help contain the spread of the wearers’ cough/sneezes, which in turn protects others from exposure. They do zero to stop anyone from inhaling the Covid virus.  The virus passes easily through regular masks. To prevent inhaling the virus you would have to have an N95 mask, which is not easy to breathe through long term.  So, if you think wearing a mask will protect you against the virus, that’s unlikely, unless it is an N 95.

i saw a guy at a casino last week jumping game to game with a paper mask and gloves on. Ridiculous.

It is ridiculous that he thinks either do anything. Watching people wear gloves that don’t regularly, is borderline comical.  Cross contamination at every other activity they try to do. 

1 hour ago, sportsfan41 said:

It is ridiculous that he thinks either do anything. Watching people wear gloves that don’t regularly, is borderline comical.  Cross contamination at every other activity they try to do. 

Yep.

14 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Truth. In addition, people seek information and sources that are most likely to feed their beliefs. As media became more available with cable and streaming it fragmented into feeding the beliefs of their viewers. All of this is a major contributor to the polarization in our society.

Confirmation bias is running strong. The funny thing is people are overly critical of how "biased" the media is for one side, without recognizing the bias that is present for their own side in their sources.

31 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

Confirmation bias is running strong. The funny thing is people are overly critical of how "biased" the media is for one side, without recognizing the bias that is present for their own side in their sources.

Yup.

It’s one extreme or the other with the media these days.

Non controversial headlines don’t get ratings I suppose. 

8 minutes ago, MBWC41 said:

Yup.

It’s one extreme or the other with the media these days.

Non controversial headlines don’t get ratings I suppose. 

And as much as everyone laments the problem in today's media, social media is 10 times worse. The ability for anyone to spread falsehoods and others believe and pass it on is the worst media issue by far. With the biggest problem being people passing on info without verifying it.

10 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

The ability for anyone to spread falsehoods and others believe and pass it on is the worst media issue by far.

Absolutely. 

15 hours ago, sportsfan41 said:

It is ridiculous that he thinks either do anything. Watching people wear gloves that don’t regularly, is borderline comical.  Cross contamination at every other activity they try to do. 

I know people on their first or second cloth/surgical mask dating back to January still.  They almost need duct tape to keep them in place.

From the Blaze:

It's time to stop calling infections among the vaccinated "breakthrough" cases. In fact, The U.K., which posts the most comprehensive granular weekly data every Thursday, shows that COVID cases per capita are more common among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated in most age groups.

10.1 UPDATE: UK CoV2 infection rates among fully vaxxed are now similar or higher in all age cohorts ≥30. They're lower in younger cohorts but still significant. Both vaxxed & unvaxxed get infected & in most age groups, the vaxxed moreso, which renders vaccine passports useless.

According to the Public Health England data, for the 60s age cohort, the infection rates are now 63% higher among the vaccinated than unvaccinated, up from 53% in last week's report.

This point is underscored by a recent outbreak of the virus in an Israeli hospital where 39 of the 42 patients, staff, and family members infected were fully vaccinated.

Data show that 63% of the COVID deaths over the past 7.5 months in England were among those vaccinated.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-country-with-the-best-data-shows-infection-rates-higher-among-the-vaccinated?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium

I think this tells us at least a couple of things, COVID is here to stay for the time being and any mandates are ridiculous. 

More from the Blaze today:

Fast-forward three-quarters of a year through the era of mass vaccination, and a Harvard researcher could not find any correlation between vaccination rates and COVID case rates after examining 68 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States. "At the country-level, there appears to be no discernible relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days," concluded the authors in the study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology. "In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."

On 10/4/2021 at 3:18 PM, theguru said:

From the Blaze:

It's time to stop calling infections among the vaccinated "breakthrough" cases. In fact, The U.K., which posts the most comprehensive granular weekly data every Thursday, shows that COVID cases per capita are more common among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated in most age groups.

10.1 UPDATE: UK CoV2 infection rates among fully vaxxed are now similar or higher in all age cohorts ≥30. They're lower in younger cohorts but still significant. Both vaxxed & unvaxxed get infected & in most age groups, the vaxxed moreso, which renders vaccine passports useless.

According to the Public Health England data, for the 60s age cohort, the infection rates are now 63% higher among the vaccinated than unvaccinated, up from 53% in last week's report.

This point is underscored by a recent outbreak of the virus in an Israeli hospital where 39 of the 42 patients, staff, and family members infected were fully vaccinated.

Data show that 63% of the COVID deaths over the past 7.5 months in England were among those vaccinated.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-country-with-the-best-data-shows-infection-rates-higher-among-the-vaccinated?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium

I think this tells us at least a couple of things, COVID is here to stay for the time being and any mandates are ridiculous. 

Natural immunity is the true way to beat it.  To your point that’s gonna take a lot of time it’s a big planet.  

13 minutes ago, John Anthony said:

Natural immunity is the true way to beat it.  To your point that’s gonna take a lot of time it’s a big planet.  

Right, only in America natural immunity is not a part of the equation.  We have it so wrong.