57 minutes ago, bugatti said:

When you hear the rising cases - but more importantly rising death numbers - are coming from the un-vaccinated, this is not conjecture or subject to number manipulation. This is undeniable and the numbers are alarming. It is a highly contagious disease still running its course through nature. Whether you think the vaccine does no good, your arm will fall off, or that Bill Gates is now listening to you, it has drastically lowered the amount of COVID cases and deaths. That's a fact. Or as he put it, "I totally get distrusting Big Pharma. But I will never understand the insistence of some people to believe the authorized vaccines are do-nothing arm goop. Imagine if the vaccines really were just (crap): This would be the strangest mass placebo effect in the history of science."

All this. 

58 minutes ago, bugatti said:

Also interesting - and I get this - is the hesitancy of a large segment of the un-vaccinated since the FDA has not given full-on approval. If they were to give the approval, this would change their minds. When asked why they haven't approved, Thompson said the FDA final approval process is something they will not budge on to rush. It is a stringent review, and will do their due-diligence before signing on the dotted line. We are still a few months from their final seal of approval. 

I'm not buying this argument from MOST people making it. They'll find another excuse.

25 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I'm not buying this argument from MOST people making it. They'll find another excuse.

I agree.

I would have to think that confidence in the FDA (or pretty much anything at this point) is at an all time low so I doubt how the FDA looks at the vaccine will be much of a factor for most un-vaccinated people. 

3 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

I'm not buying this argument from MOST people making it. They'll find another excuse.

 

3 hours ago, bugatti said:

I agree.

 

7 minutes ago, theguru said:

I would have to think that confidence in the FDA (or pretty much anything at this point) is at an all time low so I doubt how the FDA looks at the vaccine will be much of a factor for most un-vaccinated people. 

Unvaccinated people waiting on FDA final approval is the definition of an oxymoron.

11 minutes ago, theguru said:

I would have to think that confidence in the FDA (or pretty much anything at this point) is at an all time low

But why?

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

 

 

Unvaccinated people waiting on FDA final approval is the definition of an oxymoron.

 I believe we are saying the same thing, it means little to nothing.  

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

But why?

We may not look at the world the same but as I mentioned months ago in a "COVID thread" I don't trust anyone anymore. And I can tell you from conversations I have had with many others I am not alone.

I digress here but the "UFO Issue" alone tells us we can't trust what the powers that be tell us.

21 minutes ago, theguru said:

 I believe we are saying the same thing, it means little to nothing.  

Yes, we agree on this. Perhaps for different reasons but we agree.  In fact, I think all 4 of us are agreeing on this point, which may be a first.

In Kentucky, vaccines have been open to children 12-17 since May 13th. I believe children age 5-12 are eligible now as well, and children under 5 are only being vaccinated when they are immuno-suppressed.

Norton Children's Hospital in Louisville is currently at full hospital capacity. For the last give-or-take week, if you need to be admitted, you're more than likely to spend 24-48 hours in the ER while you're waiting for a bed to open up elsewhere in the hospital. And if you need to get stitches or have your broken arm set or anything like that...you're more than likely going to receive your care in the ER while you're sitting in a chair somewhere around the ER due to lack of open beds.

Hospitals are seeing an unprecedented "summer respiratory season" right now. Up to this point in documented medical history, the term "respiratory season" was reserved for late fall through the winter and has never been associated with the summer. Hospitals are currently seeing record numbers of non-COVID "respiratory" patients that are exhibiting some, but not all of the major symptoms of COVID while also not testing positive for COVID. Respiratory patients in children's and adult hospitals alike are almost 100% unvaccinated for COVID. Patients being diagnosed with the delta-variant of COVID are also almost 100% unvaccinated for COVID.

In major adult hospitals they're diagnosing dozens of COVID long-haulers a day. Children's hospitals are seeing kids with what has all appearances of being long-haulers COVID (which is currently thought to be a life-long diagnosis) but the kids have never tested positive for COVID, nor do they exhibit the antibodies. The presumption is that the kids did, in fact, contract COVID more than 3 months ago (antibodies, if formed, are presumed to survive for at least 3 months), those kids' cases were fairly asymptomatic, and now they have developed pediatric long-haulers COVID.


I'm glad I'm vaccinated. I'm glad my brothers and sisters-in-law were intelligent enough to get their kids vaccinated.

20 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

In Kentucky, vaccines have been open to children 12-17 since May 13th. I believe children age 5-12 are eligible now as well, and children under 5 are only being vaccinated when they are immuno-suppressed.

Norton Children's Hospital in Louisville is currently at full hospital capacity. For the last give-or-take week, if you need to be admitted, you're more than likely to spend 24-48 hours in the ER while you're waiting for a bed to open up elsewhere in the hospital. And if you need to get stitches or have your broken arm set or anything like that...you're more than likely going to receive your care in the ER while you're sitting in a chair somewhere around the ER due to lack of open beds.

Hospitals are seeing an unprecedented "summer respiratory season" right now. Up to this point in documented medical history, the term "respiratory season" was reserved for late fall through the winter and has never been associated with the summer. Hospitals are currently seeing record numbers of non-COVID "respiratory" patients that are exhibiting some, but not all of the major symptoms of COVID while also not testing positive for COVID. Respiratory patients in children's and adult hospitals alike are almost 100% unvaccinated for COVID. Patients being diagnosed with the delta-variant of COVID are also almost 100% unvaccinated for COVID.

In major adult hospitals they're diagnosing dozens of COVID long-haulers a day. Children's hospitals are seeing kids with what has all appearances of being long-haulers COVID (which is currently thought to be a life-long diagnosis) but the kids have never tested positive for COVID, nor do they exhibit the antibodies. The presumption is that the kids did, in fact, contract COVID more than 3 months ago (antibodies, if formed, are presumed to survive for at least 3 months), those kids' cases were fairly asymptomatic, and now they have developed pediatric long-haulers COVID.


I'm glad I'm vaccinated. I'm glad my brothers and sisters-in-law were intelligent enough to get their kids vaccinated.

So people, mainly children, who had no symptoms, are now experiencing what type of symptoms several months later?

35 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

I'm glad I'm vaccinated. I'm glad my brothers and sisters-in-law were intelligent enough to get their kids vaccinated.

More and more people are going to regret not being vaccinated.

16 minutes ago, sportsfan41 said:

So people, mainly children, who had no symptoms, are now experiencing what type of symptoms several months later?

Cough
Congestion/Runny Nose
Sore Throat
Headache
Fever/Chills
Cough
Shortness of Breath
Difficulty Breathing
Fatigue
Muscle/Body Aches

15 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

More and more people are going to regret not being vaccinated.

Saw a decent number of folks post this meme on Facebook when people started widely getting vaccinated for COVID. I get the humor of it, given the whole worldwide pandemic scenario...but...it isn't aging well. 

One of the few doctors at UofL Hospital my wife knows who vocally objected to COVID precautions and refused to get vaccinated....just retired from medicine at age 42 due to long-term shortness of breath and cognitive loss/forgetfulness that has come to be associated with long-haulers COVID. Whoops.... ?‍♂️

Funny meme, though.

10 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

One of the few doctors at UofL Hospital my wife knows who vocally objected to COVID precautions and refused to get vaccinated....just retired from medicine at age 42 due to long-term shortness of breath and cognitive loss/forgetfulness that has come to be associated with long-haulers COVID. Whoops.... ?‍♂️

There's book smarts, and then there's common sense...

Although you'd hope someone with enough book smarts to be a doctor would be able to figure out you should be taking the vaccine. I hope it was worth it.