I'm away for a day and things seem to get worse.

 

Well 02Ram54, you said noone presented a good layout. I've got one for you. We debated the other night about this perfect setup that you think we had. But just as you seem to avoid Woody's questions, so did you on my questions.

 

I pointed out that the current alignment, even though some of you wanted to make it out that it was geographically perfect and even, it was in fact unbalanced at 24 teams in the West and 30 teams in the East. My premise is that it was designed that way to get the Louisville schools on opposite sides to help steer an all Louisville championship. You scoffed. Others also present the 54 teams as split 27 on each side East and West, but they are not. I am presenting you below the districts in the same numbers as the KHSAA has it now, with 30 teams in one side and 24 in the other side. Except I put 30 in the West and 24 in the East. They are geographically balanced and put all Louisville teams in the West. Which I can't imagine anyone could look at these and feel they are any less fair or geographically off balance than what it is now. I laid them out just as they are now as far as format goes, Districts of 8,8,7,7 and 6,6,6,6 as the number of teams in the respective districts, only I flipped the West and East with the numbers. If the East could have 30 teams why not the West?

 

Let the debate begin.

 

R1-D1 Barren, Christian, Graves, Greenwood, Marshall, Owensboro, Apollo, Daviess

 

R1-D2 Warren Central, Grayson, Henderson, Ohio, John Hardin, North Hardin, Central Hardin, Meade

 

R2-D1 Bullitt Central, Butler, Iroquois, Manuel, Male, PRP, St. X

 

R2-D2 Ballard, Eastern, Fern Creek, Seneca, Trinity, Southern, Nelson

 

R3-D1 Boone, Ryle, Conner, Holmes, Dixie, Scott

 

R3-D2 Scott Co., Woodford, Oldham, Shelby, Campbell, Simon Kenton

 

R4-D1 Clark, Bryan Station, Henry Clay, Lafayette, Dunbar, Tates Creek

 

R4-D2 N. Laurel, S. Laurel, Montgomery, Lincoln, Whitley, Madison Central

 

 

Hey, not bad. X fans may suggest just one tweek: swap X with Southern. Southern is geographically west of X, and it would balance the districts more evenly, putting X and T in one district and Manual, Male and PRP in another. Better yet, it would put X in the east, and further balance the state, with Manual, Male, Warren Central, Henderson, John Hardin, North Hardin, Meade, Christian, Marshall and PRP in the west and X and T in the east.

On the first part above ....

I believe the federal government has a nice picture that could be considered in this discussion.

And the picture proves ... what?

On the 2nd part from above about Northern KY ........[/u]

"all natural rivals and perfect to be in one district" - you mean like the Louisville area that is now currently split as if they are 2 seperate halves of our state?

There are eight northern Kentucky schools in 4A, a perfect setup for them all to be in one district.

 

There are 12 Louisville schools in 4A, plus several more on the periphery. That, of course, is much too big for one district, and given that Louisville is the geographic midpoint in 4A, there is no reason they all have to be on the same side of the bracket.

Doesn't your statement support others feelings that maybe its NOT an obvious fact that splitting the natural rivals in Lou into 2 halves of the state where they can only meet if they play and beat every other school in the state?

In my opinion ... no. Not at all.

And the picture proves ... what?

There are eight northern Kentucky schools in 4A, a perfect setup for them all to be in one district.

 

There are 12 Louisville schools in 4A, plus several more on the periphery. That, of course, is much too big for one district, and given that Louisville is the geographic midpoint in 4A, there is no reason they all have to be on the same side of the bracket.

In my opinion ... no. Not at all.

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Why can't they? In terms of 4A geography, Louisville is the midpoint of the state.

Heck, you have Barren County and Graves County in the same district.

Kentucky isn't a very densely-populated state. If we insist on four classes and eight districts in each class with roughly an equal number of teams, that's going to happen.

 

The reason Raceland is in the district with those teams, perhaps, is that the rest of the Paintsville-Pikeville district would present some frightful travel scenarios.

I strongly disagree. These are some problems I see with it ...

 

1. Greenwood and Warren Central, one of which was formed by a split of the other, are in different districts.

 

2. You have Henderson County in District 2, while Owensboro, Apollo and Daviess County (all to the east) are in District 1. Henderson would travel through Owensboro to get to all of their district rivals.

 

3. You have Barren County, which is east of Warren Central, in District 1 with the Dragons in District 2.

 

4. Manual is misspelled ... not a big deal but I'm surprised the Ram Bros. haven't squawked about it. :lol:

 

5. The northern Kentucky schools, all natural rivals and perfect to be in one district, are split.

 

6. Oldham County and Shelby County, both of which fit much better with the Louisville schools, are instead shuttled off to a Lexington area-northern Kentucky district.

 

7. Clark County is in with the Lexington schools. Montgomery County, due east on I-64, has to drive through that district to get to the teams with which they are grouped.

 

In summary, it looks exactly like what it is ... an alignment designed to load up one side of the state.

 

The reason there are more teams in the east side of the bracket is that, as a general rule, the eastern half of the state is more densely populated with 4A schools.

It's good to know I don't have to camp out in this thread to make sure reason prevails!

And the picture proves ... what?

There are eight northern Kentucky schools in 4A, a perfect setup for them all to be in one district.

 

There are 12 Louisville schools in 4A, plus several more on the periphery. That, of course, is much too big for one district, and given that Louisville is the geographic midpoint in 4A, there is no reason they all have to be on the same side of the bracket.

In my opinion ... no. Not at all.

 

 

Does the picture look like the state is divided inhalf at Louisville is all I was saying. Do you think it doesnt say that?

Woody Jr

Does the picture look like the state is divided inhalf at Louisville is all I was saying. Do you think it doesnt say that?

Woody Jr

When talking about deviding the 54 4A teams, that map does very little to help your argument. Jefferson Co is only one county away from what even you consider East...

Is this the fate that awaits Woody Jr if he trys to rent a car in Lousiville ?:scared:

 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SNAKE_RENTAL?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-05-27-06-55-06

 

Woody Jr

Why can't they? In terms of 4A geography, Louisville is the midpoint of the state.

 

5. The northern Kentucky schools, all natural rivals and perfect to be in one district, are split.

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On the first part above ....

I believe the federal government has a nice picture that could be considered in this discussion. Please checkout the link below:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.osha.gov/oshdir/images/ky-state-map.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.osha.gov/oshdir/ky-state-map.html&h=472&w=609&sz=19&tbnid=lq2v78CmCdnzPM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkentucky%2Bstate%2Bmap&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2

 

My map looks different.

 

http://www.uky.edu/KentuckyAtlas/kentucky-counties.tiff

Does the picture look like the state is divided inhalf at Louisville is all I was saying. Do you think it doesnt say that?

Perhaps you didn't notice that in my post, I was referring to geographic breakdown of 4A schools, not the state in general.

Perhaps you didn't notice that in my post, I was referring to geographic breakdown of 4A schools, not the state in general.

 

If you use a geographic breakdown of the schools, why not split them with 27 in the East side and 27 in the West?

 

You guys that talk about it being perfect the way it is never mention the fact that it is split 30-24. With 30 in the East.

 

The current format splits the Jefferson Co. teams and "balances" the layout. With 30-24. If I shift the teams to the same 30-24 but put all of Jefferson in the West, I am irrational. That is mind boggling to me.

 

Talk about reason...... Why is it not the same when you have 30-24 whether it is West-East or East-West.

 

All you all point to is purely semantics. This team is a natural rival, why split them up? This team is here and you dont let them play there. THAT HAPPENS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. One of Raceland's historical rivals has been Paintsville. They are about an hour away. Yet they split us years ago. EVERY TEAM in our district except for Fairview is further than Paintsville geographically. Lex Christian, Bath Co, Berea, Nicholas Co., Paris. Now all of these except Bath (which is about the same distance) are closer to Danville and Frankfort, than Raceland and Fairview. BUT Danville and Frankfort are in the West side. And the above mentioned teams are not only in the East, but Raceland and Fairview have to drive nearly 2 hours to play all 5 teams. Berea is about 35 miles from Danville, yet drive over 100 miles to play Raceland and Fairview.

 

I keep looking for common sense and cant find it. We can look at every class and argue things such as these that make no sense. But when I show that breakdown it is CLEARLY just as fair to put Jefferson on one side as to split them, if you are not going to try to put the same number of teams 27 on each side. It IS just as fair to have 30 in the West as it is now to have 30 in the East. If you guys cant see that I am finished. I've never said my way is perfect, but it certainly is just as fair as it currently is. Plain and Simple.

If you use a geographic breakdown of the schools' date=' why not split them with 27 in the East side and 27 in the West?[/quote']Because of you balance it out by moving three Louisville schools to the west side, you end up with a major imbalance among the schools in the two Louisville districts. The east-west numbers discrepancy has little to do with Louisville ... it has to do with the fact that there are more 4A schools east of Louisville than west and directly south of it. It's 22-18 by my count.

 

Actually, there should be one Louisville school switching to the west ... my vote would go to Southern to equalize the size of the two districts that contain Jefferson County teams.

You guys that talk about it being perfect the way it is never mention the fact that it is split 30-24. With 30 in the East.

Who said it was perfect? "Good under the circumstances" better reflects my view.

The current format splits the Jefferson Co. teams and "balances" the layout. With 30-24. If I shift the teams to the same 30-24 but put all of Jefferson in the West' date=' I am irrational. That is mind boggling to me.[/quote']Not true. I simply pointed out that your proposed alignment has several geography-related problems.

All you all point to is purely semantics. This team is a natural rival' date=' why split them up? This team is here and you dont let them play there. THAT HAPPENS ALL ACROSS THE STATE.[/quote']Your alignment has teams driving right by schools in adjacent districts of the same class to get to their district rivals. Where in Kentucky does that occur now?

One of Raceland's historical rivals has been Paintsville. They are about an hour away. Yet they split us years ago. EVERY TEAM in our district except for Fairview is further than Paintsville geographically. Lex Christian' date=' Bath Co, Berea, Nicholas Co., Paris. Now all of these except Bath (which is about the same distance) are closer to Danville and Frankfort, than Raceland and Fairview. BUT Danville and Frankfort are in the West side. And the above mentioned teams are not only in the East, but Raceland and Fairview have to drive nearly 2 hours to play all 5 teams. Berea is about 35 miles from Danville, yet drive over 100 miles to play Raceland and Fairview.[/quote']Hey, life is tough ... you don't always get put in the district with the teams that you might prefer.

 

Districts are set up as groupings of schools ... the lines have to be drawn somewhere.

Hey, life is tough ... you don't always get put in the district with the teams that you might prefer.

 

Districts are set up as groupings of schools ... the lines have to be drawn somewhere.

 

Since this is in fact true, why is TBF's plan not as good as the current?????

Since this is in fact true, why is TBF's plan not as good as the current?????

 

 

Thats it herd, keep going !!:thumb: :ylsuper:

 

 

Get them mad at you and maybe they will forget about me:p :sssh:

 

Woody Jr

Thats it herd, keep going !!:thumb: :ylsuper:

 

 

Get them mad at you and maybe they will forget about me:p :sssh:

 

Woody Jr

 

In your dreams, Woody Jr.

In your dreams, Woody Jr.

 

 

and you have such a sweet, innocent looking pup there