I don't care if Louisville is split or not, my whole point is how the folks in Louisville, such as yourself, have the attitude that your city/district is untouchable because it's "Louisville" and the center of the state in all things good. Lose the arrogant attitude and more folks would come around to your side of the coin. As I said, being from the Ashland area and a supporter of a 2A team, I could care less if Louisville broke off from Kentucky and floated over to Indiana. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar...unfortunately some of the Louisville posters seem to be fresh out of honey...

 

And by the way...if you don't think the Louisville school's were originally split up to garner higher attendance at the championship game (meaning bigger gate for the KHSAA coffers) I believe you are delusional. Everything is about money, that's just the way the world works...:thumb:

Another thing, I never said TBF's plan wasn't flawed, just didn't see why it was summarily rejected so offhandedly...

I don't care if Louisville is split or not, my whole point is how the folks in Louisville, such as yourself, have the attitude that your city/district is untouchable because it's "Louisville" and the center of the state in all things good. Lose the arrogant attitude and more folks would come around to your side of the coin. As I said, being from the Ashland area and a supporter of a 2A team, I could care less if Louisville broke off from Kentucky and floated over to Indiana. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar...unfortunately some of the Louisville posters seem to be fresh out of honey...

 

And by the way...if you don't think the Louisville school's were originally split up to garner higher attendance at the championship game (meaning bigger gate for the KHSAA coffers) I believe you are delusional. Everything is about money, that's just the way the world works...:thumb:

 

I take extreme exception to the bolded statement. No one has said Louisville was untouchable, nor any of the rest of what you say. There has been a noted attack by many "state at large" posters on Louisville schools. This isn't new, or even relevant only to this year's football playoff format. There has always been a concerted effort to neutralize Louisville's domination in 4A football. What's arrogant about posting the obvious? If you follow 4A football, you realize that most of the dominant teams are from Louisville. Probably because we have the largest population and the largest number of 4A schools in one city/county.

 

The "center of the state" argument is not a geographical argument when it comes to dividing the state into regions/districts. The split has to occur where the East and West will be split into relatively equal numbers of 4A playing schools. The fact that this centricity occurs in Louisville is because of the fact that Louisville has more 4A schools.

 

The playoffs have been formatted many ways over the years, but if I remember correctly, just about anyway it has been formatted, the majority of the time a Jefferson County team went to the championship game, and the majority of the time, they've won it. I'm not sure where the arrogance you percieve is in that statement, but it is rooted in fact and not bravado.

Another thing, I never said TBF's plan wasn't flawed, just didn't see why it was summarily rejected so offhandedly...

I listed a half-dozen reasons ... did you not read that post? You have yet to address them. To me, they're very good reasons to dismiss his alignment plan.

Whats the record for the longest thread ever? Is this one getting close?

I listed a half-dozen reasons ... did you not read that post? You have yet to address them. To me, they're very good reasons to dismiss his alignment plan.

 

The only thing I saw in your post which I agreed with was the fact that some of his districts were not geographically well thought out. Other than that, you posted no solid points. As an example, here are three of the points you made in your reply to TBF...

 

Hey, life is tough ... you don't always get put in the district with the teams that you might prefer.

 

and...

 

Districts are set up as groupings of schools ... the lines have to be drawn somewhere.

 

and...

 

Who said it was perfect? "Good under the circumstances" better reflects my view.

 

These are not exactly what I would call "reasons" and therefore do not require a response...

The only thing I saw in your post which I agreed with was the fact that some of his districts were not geographically well thought out. Other than that, you posted no solid points. As an example, here are three of the points you made in your reply to TBF...

 

 

 

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and...

 

 

 

These are not exactly what I would call "reasons" and therefore do not require a response...

Please refer to post #504 ...

Trinity and St. X are only about 20 minutes apart and maybe 15 miles or so. I never understood how they managed to be on different sides of the state when it comes to football. Politics I guess. The two schools are in the same region in b-ball along with J-town, Male, and Ballard. I don't hear any complaints about that. Just play the game.

Trinity and St. X are only about 20 minutes apart and maybe 15 miles or so. I never understood how they managed to be on different sides of the state when it comes to football. Politics I guess. The two schools are in the same region in b-ball along with J-town, Male, and Ballard. I don't hear any complaints about that. Just play the game.

 

Actually, Trinity and X aren't complaining about playing each other earlier in the playoffs....just a note. The other Louisville schools are put in a nearly impossible situation, though, having to potentially go through Male, X and Trinity to get out of the city.

Actually, Trinity and X aren't complaining about playing each other earlier in the playoffs....just a note. The other Louisville schools are put in a nearly impossible situation, though, having to potentially go through Male, X and Trinity to get out of the city.

 

That makes sense, wow beating Male, St. X and Trinity would be a near impossible task!

I lived in FL for 2 years. They have six classes and the highest (6A) is made up of 4 different regions in which 2 are entirely Miami. Of course the two Miami regions meet in the semis and not the finals. But they are in the far corner of the state. Louisville has a simliar situation in 4A (in the past but they didn't meet until the finals.) Of course they are in the middle of the state so that could account for the difference.

I guess my point is that 6A is basically the Miami invitational. What if KY had a class 5A which was all Louisville, or at least close?

I lived in FL for 2 years. They have six classes and the highest (6A) is made up of 4 different regions in which 2 are entirely Miami. Of course the two Miami regions meet in the semis and not the finals. But they are in the far corner of the state. Louisville has a simliar situation in 4A (in the past but they didn't meet until the finals.) Of course they are in the middle of the state so that could account for the difference.

I guess my point is that 6A is basically the Miami invitational. What if KY had a class 5A which was all Louisville, or at least close?

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Ironically, it used to be Louisville/Jefferson County vs. the state, but people didn't like that a Louisville team was always in the finals. There is talk about adding classes. Several threads here in the football forum have pros, cons, and such going in them.:thumb:

What if KY had a class 5A which was all Louisville, or at least close?

It used to be that way.

 

Before the present 4 classification system there were only 3 classes and 3A was made up entirely of schools from Jefferson County.

Ironically, it used to be Louisville/Jefferson County vs. the state, but people didn't like that a Louisville team was always in the finals.

That seems to be the common belief and it's often expressed here, but in all honesty, I don't remember the change in 4A being because a Louisville team always reached the championship game. I believe it had more to do with the travel situation ... the outstate schools were traveling all over the place while the Louisville schools never left Jefferson County.

 

That, in my opinion, is a much more legitimate concern than whether Louisville was guaranteed a spot in the title game.

 

For example, in 1980 Paducah Tilghman won playoff games at Shelby County and Henry Clay to get to the finals. Trinity, which hammered Tilghman in the state final, never had to leave Jefferson County.

 

The change mandated that the Louisville schools would have to travel, even if it was sparingly, and kept teams from opposite ends of the state meeting in the semifinals.

I lived in FL for 2 years. They have six classes and the highest (6A) is made up of 4 different regions in which 2 are entirely Miami. Of course the two Miami regions meet in the semis and not the finals. But they are in the far corner of the state. Louisville has a simliar situation in 4A (in the past but they didn't meet until the finals.) Of course they are in the middle of the state so that could account for the difference.

I guess my point is that 6A is basically the Miami invitational. What if KY had a class 5A which was all Louisville, or at least close?

Louisville isnt as big as miami obviuosly but Louisville and Lexington schools only in the biggest of classes is wht Ive said all along should be done.