AAU Summer Basketball

[shooterx3]

Stripes

any thoughts on the 17u games this weekend in Florence?

[Stripes3]

I believe it was the DS Allstars East team second tourney and they were playing like a team that had been together for months. Van Hoose showed his range, but Novosell showed he could play inside out. They had a solid mixture of athletism and fundamental play. Very unselfish. Loved the passing and chemistry. Most folks would agree, this team "wanted" to play defense. You have to give Vance (sp) some credit on working to get this crew together. The one thing I noticed about his program and players, they all seem to improve over the summer months going into high school. And I think that is what is most important. Portwood looks as though he will come on strong too, if I got the kid pegged right. Scott County has a solid future for the next 2 years with Portwood and Mackey.

 

Did that answer your question Shooter?

[shooterx3]

Thats a pretty good review, but you left out HaDDIX, did you see the first half of the Championship game? Or did you think Haddix was Mackey?

Haddix has the ability to score when you really need a bucket and he has that 5th gear on a runnout that leaves you in the dust, at 6'3, he is also an unbelievable rebounder, but your right, the chemistry on this team is very strong, they dont care who scores, and if your open you get the ball,

they have had two practices so far, could have some more upside!:thumb:

[Stripes3]

Nope. Of course I did not miss Haddix. Haddix seems to excel more in the AAU environment than at Scott County. Yes, he had a solid year, but had he played like that against Henry Clay, we may of had a completely different psynario in this year's Sweet 16 tourney. Haddix still needs to add range to his shot. He has excellent explosion off the floor and can shoot over taller defenders. He plays mostly at the 3 spot from what I could see. If he wants to play D1 ball, he has to learn to create shots off the dribble better. Only becuase at that level, he will not be able to soar over taller defenders like he does when he is in the paint. Solid defender though. Just needs some better handles.

 

Agree?

[shooterx3]

Nope. Of course I did not miss Haddix. Haddix seems to excel more in the AAU environment than at Scott County. Yes, he had a solid year, but had he played like that against Henry Clay, we may of had a completely different psynario in this year's Sweet 16 tourney. Haddix still needs to add range to his shot. He has excellent explosion off the floor and can shoot over taller defenders. He plays mostly at the 3 spot from what I could see. If he wants to play D1 ball, he has to learn to create shots off the dribble better. Only becuase at that level, he will not be able to soar over taller defenders like he does when he is in the paint. Solid defender though. Just needs some better handles.

 

Agree?

Your pretty good stripes, but its not an aau thing, Scott County had to have him in the post, where he didnt get to use his handles much, he needs to be out on the perimeter creating and exploding, his handles will get better, he will play d-1 ball somewhere , and he is a GREAT kid when you talk to him

(kinda reminds me of those Faulkners)

[Stripes3]

Now now. See you don't have to go and spoil it. I agree with you. I have met him and he is certainly a respectful young man. Coach Hicks does utilize him more in the post which was my point. AAU type play allows him to get out on the perimeter more. For Scott County, he seems best when he pops out from the post for those mid range jumpers and spin moves. He still has room to improve and that's a good thing.

[shooterx3]

We are on the same page Stripes with about everything except the Faulkners, but thats ok, now let me really give you a test of your basketball knowledge. State AAu is coming up in May, how would you handicap the teams at this point? Of course the Eddie Ford teams wont play against any teams in Kentucky, how would you rate their 17u team this year vs the Derick Smith teams? the DS East vs DS West team? I think the Northern Kentucky shining stars will be right there, the Eddie Ford team is probally the 4th best team in the state this year? How would you rank them?

[Stripes3]

I would put the East against the West and the East wins. I just think you have a better overall "team" with the East. With the West, you have inconsistant shooting and they live or die off the press, fast-breaks, and points off turnovers. Problem is, the East just don't turn it over. You have mismatches when the East faces the West, but that is usually offset with better ball control and movement from the East side and they generally look as though they shoot a better percentage from the field and don't force nearly as many shots. With practice, that could change for the better for the West, but I doubt it. It just looks as though the West are vying for scholarship points and not the "W".

 

For as long as I can recall, Eddie Ford has been chasing the same players that DS Allstars get. They appear to be gaining ground, but even Eddie Ford does not have the best collection of 15's in the state, much less 16's or 17's.

 

As of today, I would do like this:

 

1. DS Allstars East

2. Shining Stars

3. DS Allstars West

4. Eddie Ford KY Hoopstars

 

Agree?

[Sandman]

I was very impressed with the Derek Smith All Stars. They played a fantastic game to win the championship. They have so many weapons and shoot the ball very well.

 

That was the first loss of the season for Kentucky Shining Star Sports. They are now 8 wins and 1 loss.

 

 

Since you're keeping track. How many of those wins came against younger teams?

[Sandman]

Shining stars were a very good team,I thought Indiana Elite took alot out of them in the semi-finals, they had no legs in the second quarter of the championship game.

 

Don't they have 10 guys to go to? How do you get tired only playing half the game?

[shooterx3]

I would put the East against the West and the East wins. I just think you have a better overall "team" with the East. With the West, you have inconsistant shooting and they live or die off the press, fast-breaks, and points off turnovers. Problem is, the East just don't turn it over. You have mismatches when the East faces the West, but that is usually offset with better ball control and movement from the East side and they generally look as though they shoot a better percentage from the field and don't force nearly as many shots. With practice, that could change for the better for the West, but I doubt it. It just looks as though the West are vying for scholarship points and not the "W".

 

For as long as I can recall, Eddie Ford has been chasing the same players that DS Allstars get. They appear to be gaining ground, but even Eddie Ford does not have the best collection of 15's in the state, much less 16's or 17's.

 

As of today, I would do like this:

 

1. DS Allstars East

2. Shining Stars

3. DS Allstars West

4. Eddie Ford KY Hoopstars

 

Agree?

You know you stuff, how many games do you see in the summer?

I think on any given day, you could shuffle the top 3, Eddie Ford teams seem to be going downhill and have been getting blown out in a lot of games, especially the younger teams that are the "cash cows". Eddie only seems to care about the 17u team though, do you know who he has on there this year?

[budman0209]

I would put the East against the West and the East wins. I just think you have a better overall "team" with the East. With the West, you have inconsistant shooting and they live or die off the press, fast-breaks, and points off turnovers. Problem is, the East just don't turn it over. You have mismatches when the East faces the West, but that is usually offset with better ball control and movement from the East side and they generally look as though they shoot a better percentage from the field and don't force nearly as many shots. With practice, that could change for the better for the West, but I doubt it. It just looks as though the West are vying for scholarship points and not the "W".

 

For as long as I can recall, Eddie Ford has been chasing the same players that DS Allstars get. They appear to be gaining ground, but even Eddie Ford does not have the best collection of 15's in the state, much less 16's or 17's.

 

As of today, I would do like this:

 

1. DS Allstars East

2. Shining Stars

3. DS Allstars West

4. Eddie Ford KY Hoopstars

 

Agree?

Stripes,

 

Do you attend a lot of touneys in the summer? Do you follow the Derek Smith All Star teams?

 

I coach the Kentucky Shining Star Sports Team. This is the first year for our program in Kentucky. I am trying to get up to speed on AAU in Kentucky.

 

I would love to get updates on the tourneys that you attend so I can educate myself on the teams in Kentucky.

 

Here is our schedule for the next couple of weeks.

 

April 14th Tourney in Florence Kentucky

April 21st Hoosier Spring Showcase in Indy

April 28th King of the South in Nashville

May 5th Spiece Run n' Slam

 

Where are you planning on going? Do you know where the DS All Stars are going?

[Stripes3]

Yes. I follow tourneys in Cincy and go to several majors. What is the Tourney called "King of the South?" Nevermind, I already know. This tourney will have one the best, if not best programs in the country, the Atlanta Celtics.

 

Are you getting your team to the Adidas 64 in Vegas?

 

I also follow major camps Nike, Adidas, and Reebok.

 

I don't think Eddie Ford is going down. I just don't think he gets the best players. I think the Faulkners are solid players, but they are just not the best players in the 15's in Kentucky.

 

The coming classes, 2007, 2008, and 2009 are improving the outlook for KY talent. 2007 is still a bit top-heavy with 2008 being strong and broad in talent, and the class of 2009 appears to be one of the deepest and richest yet.

[Stripes3]

Here is more rankings for the

 

Class of 2009 National

 

1.

Renardo Sidney WF/PF

 

6-9/207

Jackson (MS) Piney Woods 17&U MBA Black

 

2.

Kenny Boynton 2G

 

6-2/185

Pompano Beach (FL) Blanche Ely 17&U Team Breakdown

 

3.

Lance Stepheson WG

 

6-4/177

Brooklyn (NY) Abraham Lincoln 17&U New York Panthers

 

4.

Terrance Boyd WG

 

6-4/183

Norman (OK) Norman 17&U D.C. Assault

 

5.

Xavier Henry WF

 

6-5/190

Oklahoma City (OK) Putnam City 16&U Oklahoma Athletes First

 

6.

Junior Cadougan PG

 

5-11/170

Toronto (ON) Community Christian (Stockbridge, GA) Pump-N-Run Canada

 

7.

Terrell Vinson PF

 

6-6/210

White Plains (MD) Montrose Christian School Chick Webb Spiders

 

8.

Dion Sims WF

 

6-5/205

Detroit (MI) U-D Jesuit

 

9.

Shawn Williams WF

 

6-4/180

Duncanville (TX) Duncanville Texas Select

 

10.

Karon Johnson PF

 

6-7/195

Richmond (VA) Mt. Zion Christian (Durham, NC) Virginia Squires

 

11.

Aaron Moore PF

 

6-6/190

Compton (CA) Dominguez Team California

 

12.

Leslie McDonald WF

 

6-4/175

Memphis (TN) Briarcrest Christian School Memphis War Eagles

 

13.

Jerry Brown WF/PF

 

6-5/185

San Francisco (CA) Sacred Heart Cathedral 17&U Oakland Soldiers

 

14.

LeShon Edwards WF

 

6-4/170

Towson (MD) Towson Catholic Team Melo

 

15.

Derrick Favors PF/C

 

6-7/220

Atlanta (GA) South Atlanta 17&U Atlanta Celtics Black

 

16.

Alexander Oriakhi PF

 

6-7/190

North Andover (MA) Brooks School 17&U B.A.B.C.

 

17.

Greg Robbins WG

 

6-4/170

Ardmore (PA) Lower Merion Team Filly Sol

 

18.

Tommy Griffin PG

 

5-10/155

Houston (TX) Madison Houston Hoops

 

19.

Durand Scott 2G

 

6-2/165

Manhattan (NY) Brother Rice New York Gauchos

 

20.

Travis Jordan

 

6-6/165

Mendenhall (MS)

 

21.

Dexter Strickland WG

 

6-3/160

Elizabeth (NJ) St. Patrick Team New Jersey Elite

 

22.

Toarlyn Fitzpatrick WF

 

6-6/180

Tampa (FL) IMG - Pendleton School (Bradenton, FL)

 

23.

Noel Johnson 2G

 

6-6/175

Lovejoy (GA) Lovejoy 17&U Atlanta Celtics Black

 

24.

Demetrius Walker WF

 

6-3/190

Fontana (CA) Fontana Team California

 

25.

Jarvis King PF

 

6-7/190

Charlottesville (VA) The Miller School of Albemarle Virginia Squires

 

26.

Chad Wilson PG/2G

 

5-10/155

Upper Marlboro (MD) Riverdale Baptist Team Maryland

 

27.

Chris Cunningham C

 

6-7/195

Pomona (CA) Diamond Ranch A.R.C. Vikings

 

28.

Kendrick Robinson PG/2G

 

6-0/170

San Antonio (TX) Southwest

 

29.

Lorenzo Brown 2G

 

6-2/165

Roswell (GA) Centennial Georgia Inner Strength Red

 

30.

Tristin Spurlock WF

 

6-5/200

Woodbridge (VA) Woodbridge 16&U D.C. Assault

 

31.

Peyton Silva PG

 

5-11/160

Seattle (WA) Franklin

 

32.

Gregory Echenique C

 

6-9/215

Newark (NJ) St. Benedict's

 

33.

Stephen Vantresse PF/C

 

6-7/205

Indianapolis (IN) Lawrence North Indiana Elite One

 

34.

Tamir Jackson PG/2G

 

6-0/160

Newark (NJ) St. Benedict's

 

35.

G.J. Vilarino PG

 

5-9/150

McKinney (TX) McKinney Team California

 

36.

Gregg Wooten 2G

 

6-2/170

Memphis (TN) Briarcrest Christian School

 

37.

Daniel McElroy C

 

6-7/190

Cincinnati (OH) La Salle Spiece Cincinnati Tigers

 

38.

Gentry Hines PG/2G

 

5-11/160

Memphis (TN) Raleigh-Egypt Memphis War Eagles

 

39.

Marcus Jordan PG

 

6-2/180

Wilmette (IL) Loyola Academy

 

40.

DeMarcus Cousins C

 

6-8/190

Birmingham (AL) Erwin Birmingham Raptors

 

41.

Dartaye Ruffin PF

 

6-6/215

Stoughton (MA) St. Andrews School (Barrington, RI)

 

42.

Kyle Hardrick PF

 

6-8/220

Lawton (OK) Eisenhower 16&U Texas Blue Chips

 

43.

Austin Carroll PG/2G

 

6-2/165

Belmont (MA) Belmont Hill School 17&U B.A.B.C.

 

44.

Javon Farrell 2G

 

6-4/180

Alexandria (VA) Bishop Ireton

 

45.

Roger Franklin WF/PF

 

6-3/185

Duncanville (TX) Duncanville Texas Select

 

46.

Leonard Hayes 2G

 

6-2/170

Lawrenceville (NJ) Lawrenceville School

 

47.

Steven Rogers PG

 

5-9/165

Houston (TX) Strake Jesuit College Preparatory Houston Superstars

 

48.

Lamont Jones PG

 

5-10/167

Manhattan (NY) Brother Rice New York Metro Hawks

 

49.

Richard Howell WF/PF

 

6-5/180

Lawrenceville (GA) Central Gwinnett Georgia Hurricanes Black

 

50.

D'Mitri Riggs WG

 

6-3/170

Bloomington (IL) Bloomington 16&U Mean Streets

 

51.

Michael Calhoun WF/PF

 

6-5/190

Austell (GA) South Cobb Atlanta Celtics

 

52.

DeSeante Riley C

 

6-10/210

Detroit (MI) Cass Technical

 

53.

Shawn Reed PG

 

6-2/165

Birmingham (AL) Hoover

 

54.

Jeronne Maymon PF

 

6-4/200

Madison (WI) Memorial

 

55.

Keith Spellman PG

 

6-3/170

Brooklyn (NY) Thomas Jefferson

 

56.

Nolan Dennis PG/2G

 

6-4/165

North Richland Hills (TX) Richland 16&U Dallas Mustangs

 

57.

Joseph Burton C

 

6-7/225

Hemet (CA) West Valley

 

58.

Christian Wofford WF

 

6-6/175

Trussville (AL) Hewitt-Trussville

 

59.

Darian Kelly 2G

 

6-2/160

Girard (KS) Girard Kansas City Select

 

60.

Tyrone Black PF

 

6-6/215

Benton Harbor (MI) Benton Harbor

 

61.

Tony McGilveary WF

 

6-4/180

Fort Worth (TX) North Crowley 16&U Dallas Mustangs

 

62.

Larry Smith PG/2G

 

6-2/175

Indianapolis (IN) Lawrence North

 

63.

David Wear PF

 

6-7/195

Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei

 

64.

Sherrod Wright WG

 

6-3/170

Mt. Vernon (NY) Mt. Vernon

 

65.

Tyrone Gardner PG

 

6-0/165

Hartford (CT) Weaver 16&U Connecticut Young Gunz Blue

 

66.

Kevin Bloom 2G

 

6-2/160

Kendallville (IN) East Noble Indiana Elite Rising Stars

 

67.

Emari Bailey WF

 

6-3/180

Jacksonville (FL) Arlington Country Day

 

68.

Travis Wear WF/PF

 

6-7/190

Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei

 

69.

D.J. Byrd WF

 

6-5/175

Crawfordsville (IN) North Montgomery

 

70.

Oscar Griffin 2G

 

6-4/170

Aston (PA) American Christian

 

71.

Jonah Calamese PF

 

6-6/210

Jonesboro (AR) Jonesboro Arkansas Hawks

 

72.

Tevin Baskin WF/PF

 

6-6/175

Stamford (CT) Trinity Catholic New York Gauchos

 

73.

Dalton Pepper WF

 

6-4/170

Fairless Hills (PA) Pennsbury Philadelphia Patriots

 

74.

Anthony Bakersville PG

 

5-8/155

Elizabeth (NJ) St. Patrick Team New Jersey Elite

 

75.

Terran Carter WF

 

6-4/180

Woodland Hills (CA) Taft

 

76.

Nurideen Lindsey WG

 

6-4/170

Philadelphia (PA) Overbrook Team Filly Sol

 

77.

Gerald Armwood PF

 

6-6/190

Baltimore (MD) Calvert Hall Chick Webb Spiders

 

78.

David Chadwick PF

 

6-8/190

Charlotte (NC) Charlotte Latin 16&U Charlotte Royals

 

79.

Daryl McCoy PF/C

 

6-7/230

Hartford (CT) The Masters School (West Simsbury, CT) 16&U Connecticut Young Gunz Blue

 

80.

Teandre Hubbard PG

 

5-11/160

San Francisco (CA) Sacred Heart Cathedral 16&U San Francisco Rebels

 

81.

Naji Hibbert WG

 

6-4/170

Baltimore (MD) St. Frances Mt. Royal

 

82.

Andy Brown PF

 

6-6/225

Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei

 

83.

Willis Hall WF

 

6-5/180

Charlotte (NC) Charlotte Christian Carolina Miners

 

84.

Marlon Brown WF

 

6-5/190

Memphis (TN) Harding Academy 16&U Mid-State Ballerz

 

85.

Bill Edwards WG

 

6-3/175

Middletown (OH) Middletown Spiece Cincinnati Force

 

86.

Shaun Adams WG

 

6-4/180

Liberty (MO) Liberty

 

87.

Michael Haynes PF

 

6-6/215

Chicago (IL) Corliss

 

88.

Tevin Swann PG

 

6-0/170

Hampton (VA) Hampton BWSL Peninsula Blue

 

89.

Harold Criss PG

 

5-11/165

St. Louis (MO) McCluer North 14&U St. Louis Eagles

 

90.

Steve Stovall WF

 

6-5/180

Milwaukee (WI) Vincent 16&U Fox Valley Skillz

 

91.

Brandon Smith PG

 

5-10/155

Concord (CA) De La Salle Bay Area Hoosiers

 

92.

Stuart Clarke 2G

 

6-1/165

Owings Mills (MD) New Town 16&U Baltimore Select

 

93.

Josh Crawford WG

 

6-4/170

Corbin (KY) Corbin

 

94.

Roberto Nelson WF

 

6-4/170

Santa Barbara (CA) Santa Barbara Team California

 

95.

Nick Markovich WG

 

6-3/170

Chandler (AZ) Basha 16&U Arizona Magic

 

96.

Robert Capobianco C

 

6-7/220

Loveland (OH) Loveland Spiece Cincinnati Force

 

97.

Jacob Jenkins 2G

 

6-3/163

Louisville (KY) duPont Manual

 

98.

Sidney Montgomery PF

 

6-5/220

Greenwood (SC) Greenwood South Carolina Future of Basketball

 

99.

Paris Bennett PF

 

6-6/220

Elizabeth (NJ) St. Patrick Team New Jersey Elite

 

 

 

100.

Edward Hazelet C

 

6-9/240

Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central Indiana Elite Rising Stars

[BigEasy]

Don't they have 10 guys to go to? How do you get tired only playing half the game?

Did not say they where tired [ LEGS GONE] played a physical game. Lot of bodies on the floor. And yes the DS all-stars where the better team. Haddix is avery good player