EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of the Teen being shot in the back while on the ground with his hands raised seem to be more than a bit misleading and border on being down right lies.

 

This entire situation in Ferguson could and maybe should be put on the shoulders of the Friend who it seems intentionally lied about what happened and how it happened. His account of his friend being innocently gunned down in the street, shot in the back while begging not to be shot, is what ignited a community as it should...if it had been true.

To your first point, that will probably never be determined, as I'm sure you know, other than to say the shot to the top of the skull was probably the final shot. Although that can't be proved with certainty most likely.

 

As to the second (quoted) part. I agree which is why I threw in the "as things appear now" part of my reply. If it was 100 feet, I then may question the number of shots. If it was 10 feet and Mike was still charging, 6 wouldn't be excessive to me.

 

It wouldn't be excessive to me if it was 50 feet if everything I have seen and read is true.

There are so many scenarios it's tough to tell if it was excessive or not. Like everything else in this case I'm going to wait to pass judgement.

 

Did he aim for the arm to slow him from charging him (If he was indeed charging him)? If so, why didn't he shoot him in the leg since he knew he wasn't armed? After a few shots to his arm and he was still charging him (presumably) did he then shoot for his head? Did he fire off two quick shots to the head, one that brought him down and the quick second one that got the top of his head? Or, did he shoot execution style after he was slumped over?

 

Or, did he just suck and miss center mass repeatedly and hit his arms? Makes you wonder if so because he pulled off two head shots.

 

Just a lot to ponder.

LEO at any level are not trained to shoot for any where but center mass. No one shots for arms or legs.

It wouldn't be excessive to me if it was 50 feet if everything I have seen and read is true.

 

This goes back to what capt said about excessive being subjective. It's easy to say what you think is excessive being a Monday morning QB (not saying that's what you're doing, just in general). What one person would claim as excessive didn't have a 6'4" 290lb man rumbling towards him with a second subject somewhere else in the mix. Brown already illustrated he wasn't above physical assault on a cop.

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of the Teen being shot in the back while on the ground with his hands raised seem to be more than a bit misleading and border on being down right lies.

 

This entire situation in Ferguson could and maybe should be put on the shoulders of the Friend who it seems intentionally lied about what happened and how it happened. His account of his friend being innocently gunned down in the street, shot in the back while begging not to be shot, is what ignited a community as it should...if it had been true.

 

Disagree. Someone mentioned it before that it's ironic that there isn't video of what happened before Brown was shot. There are more people than just the friend walking around who saw it all play out and know the truth.

Disagree. Someone mentioned it before that it's ironic that there isn't video of what happened before Brown was shot. There are more people than just the friend walking around who saw it all play out and know the truth.

 

We'll never know the truth. All we will know is that the victim wasn't running away from the officer. The officer's story has to stand until proven otherwise. Autopsy tells us that the story from many of the witnesses seems to be false. Intentionally false? Who knows.

This goes back to what capt said about excessive being subjective. It's easy to say what you think is excessive being a Monday morning QB (not saying that's what you're doing, just in general). What one person would claim as excessive didn't have a 6'4" 290lb man rumbling towards him with a second subject somewhere else in the mix. Brown already illustrated he wasn't above physical assault on a cop.

 

I know. That's why I asked the question in earnest and I was given a great response that explained it all perfectly without discussion over the use of the word excessive.

We'll never know the truth. All we will know is that the victim wasn't running away from the officer. The officer's story has to stand until proven otherwise. Autopsy tells us that the story from many of the witnesses seems to be false. Intentionally false? Who knows.

 

We'll never know the truth. I agree.

Baden also said this:

 

Personally I think it's VERY dangerous and unprofessional for Baden to say this. For one thing, many people look at him as an authoritative expert...which he is...in forensic medicine, not police tactics and armed confrontation. Now there will be a lot of people to look at his quote and immediately find some criminal fault with the policeman. He has no clue want went down on the street that day other than there was a fatality and he is there to determine cause of death and possibly shed a little more evidence on the shooting itself (how close the victim was to shooter, angles, etc). He is NOT there to espouse his opinion if the cop should have only fired 3 times or 4 times. Put a Glock in his hand and in the same situation and he might just empty the magazine in the guy. But he wouldn't know because he's never been in that situation.

LEO at any level are not trained to shoot for any where but center mass. No one shots for arms or legs.

 

I didn't think they did but thought it may be possible in this situation since the officer knew he wasn't armed.

Just like the Trayvon Martin case, I don't think we will ever know what exactly happened. We will probably hear what actually happened but it will be mixed in with other accounts that may not be true so we will never know which is truth and which is fabrication.

 

It's a shame and the only thing I will say is I believe the entire thing has been blown way out of proportion. What I mean by that is, it's a shame that a young man is dead, but at the same time it's something that happens everyday in this country and the actual incident is no longer the news, what has become the news is the people who want to take advantage of the situation for their own personal needs and gains.

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of the Teen being shot in the back while on the ground with his hands raised seem to be more than a bit misleading and border on being down right lies.

 

This entire situation in Ferguson could and maybe should be put on the shoulders of the Friend who it seems intentionally lied about what happened and how it happened. His account of his friend being innocently gunned down in the street, shot in the back while begging not to be shot, is what ignited a community as it should...if it had been true.

The friend certainly had a motive to lie, (allegedly) having been involved in a robbery just a few minutes earlier. What better way to divert attention away from a crime than accuse a white policeman of murdering his accomplice in cold blood? What are the odds that he will be charged with shoplifting now? If he did intentionally lie to police about what he saw, he deserves a much worse fate than a shoplifting charge.

Disagree. Someone mentioned it before that it's ironic that there isn't video of what happened before Brown was shot. There are more people than just the friend walking around who saw it all play out and know the truth.

The friend is the only person who seems to have seen the entire event, his narrative set the early tone for this entire case. If he hadn't given his, as it would now seem, distorted account much of what has happened may not have ever occurred.

 

I don't know why others didn't start recording earlier, but they may not have realized what was going on until they heard shots fired. By the time they hit record those shots were probably already fired.

Just like the Trayvon Martin case, I don't think we will ever know what exactly happened. We will probably hear what actually happened but it will be mixed in with other accounts that may not be true so we will never know which is truth and which is fabrication.

 

It's a shame and the only thing I will say is I believe the entire thing has been blown way out of proportion. What I mean by that is, it's a shame that a young man is dead, but at the same time it's something that happens everyday in this country and the actual incident is no longer the news, what has become the news is the people who want to take advantage of the situation for their own personal needs and gains.

It is similar to Trayvon to the extent we have media and race hustler exploitation. The truth is probably somewhere in between for both incidents, which is often the case.

 

The Martin case was sad because Zimmerman - whether he is a piece of crap or not - had no business going to trial. The prosecution had 0 case and was forced in to action by these same exploiters. The Brown incident there at least appears to be a case which can be made.

And I am the only person that believes Benjamin Crump is a terrible lawyer? Why is he even involved?