I didn't think they did but thought it may be possible in this situation since the officer knew he wasn't armed.

 

But he didn't know he was unarmed, he hadn't searched him.

But he didn't know he was unarmed, he hadn't searched him.

 

If he really reached for the officer's gun isn't it safe to assume he needed one?

 

I know, easy for me to say days later from my air conditioned office.

 

It doesn't really matter though. I was only attempting to illustrate the reasons I don't think we can determine if 6 shots is excessive or not.

And I am the only person that believes Benjamin Crump is a terrible lawyer? Why is he even involved?

 

Terrible lawyer? What happened?

The friend is the only person who seems to have seen the entire event, his narrative set the early tone for this entire case. If he hadn't given his, as it would now seem, distorted account much of what has happened may not have ever occurred.

 

I don't know why others didn't start recording earlier, but they may not have realized what was going on until they heard shots fired. By the time they hit record those shots were probably already fired.

 

 

But that would still mean that they saw the events play out and then gave their version of what they saw.

It is similar to Trayvon to the extent we have media and race hustler exploitation. The truth is probably somewhere in between for both incidents, which is often the case.

 

The Martin case was sad because Zimmerman - whether he is a piece of crap or not - had no business going to trial. The prosecution had 0 case and was forced in to action by these same exploiters. The Brown incident there at least appears to be a case which can be made.

 

I think both incidents need to go to trial. That's what the justice system is for. Flawed or not.

 

In the black community the angle is that unarmed black men aren't protected or valued. Whether it is race hustling or not if a message is sent to the black community that unarmed kids can be killed without repurcussion then things like Ferguson would happen more frequently. Justified or not Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both under the age of 20. Those incidents should play out in court.

I think both incidents need to go to trial. That's what the justice system is for. Flawed or not.

 

In the black community the angle is that unarmed black men aren't protected or valued. Whether it is race hustling or not if a message is sent to the black community that unarmed kids can be killed without repurcussion then things like Ferguson would happen more frequently. Justified or not Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both under the age of 20. Those incidents should play out in court.

 

How do you send this to trial?

I think both incidents need to go to trial. That's what the justice system is for. Flawed or not.

 

In the black community the angle is that unarmed black men aren't protected or valued. Whether it is race hustling or not if a message is sent to the black community that unarmed kids can be killed without repurcussion then things like Ferguson would happen more frequently. Justified or not Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both under the age of 20. Those incidents should play out in court.

 

 

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.

 

In both incidents while many more incidents of young men being killed are ignored in this country, sometimes I think the only reason the race card is thrown out in the very few incidents like this or Trayvon's case is to give some the excuse to cover up and ignore the bad behavior of these young men. It's kind of an excuse to have the public look the other way and to point blame anywhere else but at the feet of the dead young men.

I think both incidents need to go to trial. That's what the justice system is for. Flawed or not.

 

In the black community the angle is that unarmed black men aren't protected or valued. Whether it is race hustling or not if a message is sent to the black community that unarmed kids can be killed without repurcussion then things like Ferguson would happen more frequently. Justified or not Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both under the age of 20. Those incidents should play out in court.

The Martin case was taken to trial because of political pressure, so we used a flawed tactic to get it to that point. They had little-to-no evidence for a murder charge/conviction and that was highlighted during the case. Then it forced everyone to be up in arms when he was found not guilty as result of these exploiters. I was disgusted with how the Martin family was drug along for that ride. That was about as easy of a win for a defense team as you will find. To me that was a backwards step for justice by trying to one-up a flawed system. You fight it by highlighting these inequalities you speak of, that is not done by haphazardly forcing a for-show trial or looting. This is what I wish Al and Jesse would do instead of playing off the emotions of those vulnerable at ground 0.

 

I do see your point though.

But that would still mean that they saw the events play out and then gave their version of what they saw.

 

I get what you are saying, if others saw what happened and didn't come forward they are to blame as well as the friend. I think many of the "Eye Witnesses" ended up just being people repeating the friends story as if they saw it themselves. Which of course they couldn't have now that the friends story has fallen apart.

 

So to revisit my original thought as to who is to blame or is at fault for the initial unrest in Ferguson that led to the mess of the last several days and nights...

1) The friend has blame on his shoulders for lying about the events that transpired

2) If any others saw what happened and refused to come forward they are to blame

3) Ones that repeated the friends story as their own Eye Witness account are to blame

I get what you are saying, if others saw what happened and didn't come forward they are to blame as well as the friend. I think many of the "Eye Witnesses" ended up just being people repeating the friends story as if they saw it themselves. Which of course they couldn't have now that the friends story has fallen apart.

 

So to revisit my original thought as to who is to blame or is at fault for the initial unrest in Ferguson that led to the mess of the last several days and nights...

1) The friend has blame on his shoulders for lying about the events that transpired

2) If any others saw what happened and refused to come forward they are to blame

3) Ones that repeated the friends story as their own Eye Witness account are to blame

 

I really don't blame anyone. It's a tragic event that spiraled out fo control.

How do you send this to trial?

 

I don't know and I'm really not sure. I do think that public pressure will cause it to go to trial.

The Martin case was taken to trial because of political pressure, so we used a flawed tactic to get it to that point. They had little-to-no evidence for a murder charge/conviction and that was highlighted during the case. Then it forced everyone to be up in arms when he was found not guilty as result of these exploiters. I was disgusted with how the Martin family was drug along for that ride. That was about as easy of a win for a defense team as you will find. To me that was a backwards step for justice by trying to one-up a flawed system. You fight it by highlighting these inequalities you speak of, that is not done by haphazardly forcing a for-show trial or looting. This is what I wish Al and Jesse would do instead of playing off the emotions of those vulnerable at ground 0.

 

I do see your point though.

 

 

This is a time where Al and Jesse should be in the streets of Ferguson at night imploring everyone to be rational and well behaved. This is why I very rarely defend either one of them.

Serious question. Does a riot ensue if it's not taken to trial?

 

If it is and the officer is acquitted, which he will be, there will definitely be a riot.

 

Maybe there will be regardless. I don't know. If the news networks have anything to say they're hoping for one. Pigs.

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.

 

In both incidents while many more incidents of young men being killed are ignored in this country, sometimes I think the only reason the race card is thrown out in the very few incidents like this or Trayvon's case is to give some the excuse to cover up and ignore the bad behavior of these young men. It's kind of an excuse to have the public look the other way and to point blame anywhere else but at the feet of the dead young men.

Neither deserved to die and I do not think you are saying that.

 

However both cases do point out a problem within the African American community that is getting swept under the rug with criminal activity and culture which helps cultivate a more likely environment for these things to happen. Again, that is not justifying what happened in either case but it is definitely part of the narrative which should not be ignored.

I don't know if they'll listen to Jesse anymore, it was going around that while talking to protesters he also started asking for money to "support the cause" and was booed/shouted down by the crowd.