Maynard and the Knipps. Nothing wrong with it but they were transfers. Knipps came earlier than Maynard did. Like I said nothing wrong with what happened there but it did help a lot.

 

Grade school.

What specifically did I take you to task on that you'd like me to explain?

 

You said that you'd heard they were being investigated. I said that I hadn't heard that. You said you heard from someone who was more than the "average person". You had the scoop and I hadn't heard anything about it.

 

I don't have a problem with Cordia giving benefits to talented basketball players to help them out (plane ticket home, housing, food, clothes, etc.). I don't have a problem with any school doing that. Kids go to Oak Hill and get all types of benefits (though more indirect and in the vein of good coaching, development of life skills, increased likelihood of being seen by scouts, etc.).

 

I do have a problem if they don't make them go to class, saying a kid isn't his correct age, kids being used and discarded, etc.

 

I'll stand by saying Cordia wasn't the only program in the State doing it and that their only real chance to compete was to dive into the underbelly of the game. They definitely look like one of the worst offenders, but I don't think they're the only ones doing some of the things they were being accused of that are the kinds of things I don't have a problem with.

 

Maybe "taken to task" was the wrong phrase.......however if it walks, talks, & smells like a pig there is a damn good chance it's a pig....that's what most of us were saying, while you and others were on the defensive. You and a few others didn't see this, at least that's how I how took it. Your a smart guy, and I respect your insight, but how in the world did you not see all this coming.

 

Cordia and Oak Hill are "light years apart", and giving benefits to talented basketball players such as plane ticket home, housing, food, clothes, etc only screams of the "R" word.

 

"I'll stand by saying Cordia wasn't the only program in the State doing it"...........Who else was/is doing it? And are they doing it to the unbelievable level that Cordia did.

Reading Hood's twitter posts, a lot of people are on his side. A saw a few tweets saying that Scott County uses Toyota to give good athletes parents jobs. That just sounds a little far fetched for me.

SportsGuy,

 

One free transfer per kid no questions asked is a very bad idea, especially for kids who have always gone where they're supposed to go ... through the end of their junior year, that is.

 

One coaching change in Louisville, Lexington or Northern Kentucky -- where you have thousands of kids in a close radius -- could change EVERYTHING in basketball/football.

 

Say for some reason a popular AAU coach gets a job at a high school. You want him to be able to pluck quality players from 4-5 rivals and be able to have them immediately eligible?

 

Should kids be able to leave nearby Central Hardin, John Hardin, North Hardin to go play for Mark Brown (first-year at E'town, but proven winner) on the area's only turf field at the area's highest-rated school (academically) had they not transferred before?

 

The "free pass" idea sounds good in theory, but horrible idea in reality. Recruiting would be WORSE, not better. Seniors would become hired guns, mercenaries if you will.

SportsGuy' date=' One free transfer per kid no questions asked is a very bad idea, especially for kids who have always gone where they're supposed to go ... through the end of their junior year, that is. One coaching change in Louisville, Lexington or Northern Kentucky -- where you have thousands of kids in a close radius -- could change EVERYTHING in basketball/football. Say for some reason a popular AAU coach gets a job at a high school. You want him to be able to pluck quality players from 4-5 rivals and be able to have them immediately eligible? Should kids be able to leave nearby Central Hardin, John Hardin, North Hardin to go play for Mark Brown (first-year at E'town, but proven winner) on the area's only turf field at the area's highest-rated school (academically) had they not transferred before? The "free pass" idea sounds good in theory, but horrible idea in reality. Recruiting would be WORSE, not better. Seniors would become hired guns, mercenaries if you will.[/quote']

I disagree, it would end the debate and anger of why some get their transfers approved while others don't. Everyone gets a free transfer if needed or wanted, the entire state is not going to start transferring either, and it will bring more opportunities to some who really need it. Things are not fair they way they are now, this will solve some of it. A few years ago was it fair that the a KHSAA disapproved a transfer of two sisters who moved because of a divorce to be able to play soccer? One free transfer and this wouldn't have been an issue, it shouldn't under the current system either. A parent has the right to send their kids to a good school, if one school isn't working then send them to another, but not all parents are able to just up and move into a new district.

I disagree, it would end the debate and anger of why some get their transfers approved while others don't. Everyone gets a free transfer if needed or wanted, the entire state is not going to start transferring either, and it will bring more opportunities to some who really need it. Things are not fair they way they are now, this will solve some of it. A few years ago was it fair that the a KHSAA disapproved a transfer of two sisters who moved because of a divorce to be able to play soccer? One free transfer and this wouldn't have been an issue, it shouldn't under the current system either. A parent has the right to send their kids to a good school, if one school isn't working then send them to another, but not all parents are able to just up and move into a new district.

 

I totally agree with this and have been a proponent of it long ago. If a student chooses to move a second time, bylaw 6 would have to be stringently applied.

The transfer lists are available on KHSAA. Naming names. Who was eligible, who was not, who was over-ruled.

 

More often than not, transfers ARE eligible. Better than 70 percent.

 

It's not like the majority are being found ineligible. Not even close to majority.

 

"if one school isn't working" -- That's usually NOT the case. It's a specific sports program or coach at that school.

 

"A parent has the right to send their kids to a good school" -- A parent can send their kid to four schools in four years if they want. NO ONE (not even the KHSAA) is stopping them. They just can't play sports at four schools in four years without meeting transfer rules. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Secondly, sometimes when those athletes transfer, they transfer to WORSE schools academically, but they happen to just have better athletics. What a coincidence!

 

Transferring and being eligible to do everything after a transfer (for whatever reason) is a different argument. Plenty of non-athletes transfer all the time.

 

Bottom line is kids can STILL transfer whenever, wherever. There is NO state law or KHSAA bylaw stopping that. Zip. Zero. None.

Yep. I'll still stand by that one.

 

Even without Cordia in the mix, the 14th still has it's fair share of transfers (and we can say the same for the State on the whole). Hazard had Chris Hudson last year, but that was probably motivated by his desire to play football (he's a TE at Miami of Ohio). Perry County Central gets 2 kids from Philadelphia last season, had Jaysean Paige come in from New York (who is just now at WVU), Justin Johnson comes with Spurlock, and now a kid or two from places like Buckhorn and Breathitt County. Knott County Central gets Justice, Simmons, 2 local kids that left during the Cordia influx, and more.

 

Cordia gets punished. Not saying they didn't deserve it if all of the accusations prove true. Just saying that it's the small school with no tradition that took the brunt of it (but that small school was also bringing in kids from all over as opposed to mainly local kids and fought the KHSAA in court more than once).

 

At the end of the day, I'll still tip my hat to Cordia. They don't have the talent in their system to be a real threat to win region. They played their hand, went all in and pushed their chips to the middle of the table, and had the rest of the region and state worried. Not easy to do. BTW, I'm not tipping my hat to the violations, just tipping my hat to their willingness to try and be bold.

 

If a kid and/or his parents got help with housing, got a plane ticket home, was provided with food and clothing, had the cost of attendance paid, and/or was provided housing, I don't really have a problem with. I won't speak to the other violations, but many of the things in the aforementioned list are the kinds of things that people are criticizing the NCAA for not doing enough of. Sorry, but if we're going to drop the hammer on programs for providing kids with things, that's a heavy ax to swing if we want to be technical.

 

Not saying that the KHSAA was unfair to Cordia, especially considering the court battles that the Highlands loophole exposed, just saying that I'd wonder how many other places in the State with top basketball programs who get kids in are guilty of things like "falsifying records, or maintaining inaccurate records with regards to living arrangements of transferring student-athletes" if we are going to be technical.

 

I'd imagine that any local kid at Cordia who could play at any of the other schools in the region has already left for those schools. Cordia goes back to being Cordia. Aside from the monetary fines, they haven't really lost much. They took the chance on giving their community something special and just pushed the limits of an already dirty game too far.

 

When you tip your hat to them you are condoning what they did.

 

You did defend them all along and even after they are found guilty you seem to say "oh well, sorry they got caught but at least they tried"

 

That doesn't work. I know some have no problems with transfers and think any kid should be able to go wherever they want to go and play but I disagree with that way of thinking 110%.

This is HS athletics and not professional sports. I know others don't seem to care but I for one believe that an even aging field should mean something. Who wants to go through a season if there is one school in the state that recruit and get the best players In The entire state? What fun is that?

 

I do and always will disagree with recruiting and transfers because it does nothing when it comes to competition and fair play.

 

There is a reason even Colleges have restrictions when it comes to transfers yet some here think a kid can go wherever he wants to play in high school. It isn't fair to the competition nor is it fair to those students who want to play a sport but can't afford to transfer to a school they can at at if their teams roster is at its limits with transferred students.

 

Cordia cheated plain and simple. The word "recruiting" is shunned on this site but we all know it happens and I have zero respect for any school that does this. I find it typical that some folks who are all for the idea students should be allowed to go and play wherever they want to also be fans of some schools where others suspect that to be the case.

 

Either way I'm glad Cordia got slammed and you continually to praise the effort they did is a shame also.

Some people give reasons for why (one-time) transfers should be OK, but then expect the number of transfers NOT to skyrocket? How so?

 

And how would allowing one-time transfers NOT impact recruiting?

 

With the one-time transfer you're making it HARDER on those struggling schools/programs to ever get better, because you're making it EASIER for their top kids to leave.

 

Why would they stay when they could go to a nearby better program no questions asked? And if you think they SHOULD stay, why do you advocate a one-time free pass? Seems counteractive and counter-intuitive.

 

Who cares about developing younger kids when you can just encourage better ones to come to your school? And if you're a parent of a student that had bided his or her time, how would you feel to have some "hired guns" lock down that roster spot/playing time your kid had worked hard to get?

 

There's also something to be said for school spirit/community support when you have stars no one recognizes/follows. Even some EKY folks felt Cordia wasn't a "local" team.

The transfer lists are available on KHSAA. Naming names. Who was eligible, who was not, who was over-ruled.

 

More often than not, transfers ARE eligible. Better than 70 percent.

 

It's not like the majority are being found ineligible. Not even close to majority.

 

"if one school isn't working" -- That's usually NOT the case. It's a specific sports program or coach at that school.

 

"A parent has the right to send their kids to a good school" -- A parent can send their kid to four schools in four years if they want. NO ONE (not even the KHSAA) is stopping them. They just can't play sports at four schools in four years without meeting transfer rules. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Secondly, sometimes when those athletes transfer, they transfer to WORSE schools academically, but they happen to just have better athletics. What a coincidence!

 

Transferring and being eligible to do everything after a transfer (for whatever reason) is a different argument. Plenty of non-athletes transfer all the time.

 

Bottom line is kids can STILL transfer whenever, wherever. There is NO state law or KHSAA bylaw stopping that. Zip. Zero. None.

 

 

Where do you see the bold at on KHSAA? I've looked and can't find it

Some people give reasons for why (one-time) transfers should be OK, but then expect the number of transfers NOT to skyrocket? How so?

 

 

Because nobody is stopping anyone from transferring now. People are figuring out how to transfer and maintain eligibility. My kid is a freshman and I guarantee he won't be transferring anywhere as long as he lives with me. If he goes to live with his mother I would expect him to transfer to the school that is in her district and we would go through the process of maintaining his eligibility so he can continue to play. It's pretty simple to follow Bylaw 6.

Where do you see the bold at on KHSAA? I've looked and can't find it

 

I should have said THROUGH khsaa, not on KHSAA.

 

My fault. I screwed up.

 

Good thing (for us) is that the KHSAA is subject to the Kentucky School Board Association, meaning it has to post board things online.

 

Here's the link:

 

KSBA's Public Portal

 

The first (top/above) link is something everyone should bookmark. Lists all KHSAA meetings, agendas, results, minutes, etc.

 

Usually you have to click on agenda/minute, CTRL-F transfer and then click/save a PDF.

 

Bad thing is the PDFs are NOT copy-and-paste.

 

 

 

 

Transfers July 1, 2013 to December 31, 2013: http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=196975

Transfers July 1, 2013 through March 31, 2014: http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=208952

Transfers July 1, 2013 through March 31, 2014: http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=205694

Transfers July 1, 2013 to June 30, 2014: http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=217489

Cordia actually used two ineligible players that I seen....Ouch...

Because nobody is stopping anyone from transferring now. People are figuring out how to transfer and maintain eligibility. My kid is a freshman and I guarantee he won't be transferring anywhere as long as he lives with me. If he goes to live with his mother I would expect him to transfer to the school that is in her district and we would go through the process of maintaining his eligibility so he can continue to play. It's pretty simple to follow Bylaw 6.

 

I could be mistaken, but I think, if I am following him correctly, that's kinda the point CKSF is trying to make. Even with the obstacles/rules in place for transferring now, you have a lot of people still doing it...and some doing it, shall we say "outside the rules". Imagine if everyone got one freebie, you'd have kids jumping all over the place. Personally I'm not a fan of that, I think as CKSF does that it takes recruiting and transferring to a whole other level.

 

I can see this scenario now. "Well coach, we have been loyal to you for 3 years, but I don't like that you haven't been letting little Johnny throw the ball very much. So, if something doesn't change...well you know Mercer County over there really needs a qb next year...I might just have to take little Johnny over there". Or..."well you know coach, Western Hills could really use a point guard next season...and, well, what if I just take little Johnny over there"?

 

Yes, these scenario might seem somewhat far fetched now...but free transfers? The floodgates open to these kind of situations.

I could be mistaken, but I think, if I am following him correctly, that's kinda the point CKSF is trying to make. Even with the obstacles/rules in place for transferring now, you have a lot of people still doing it...and some doing it, shall we say "outside the rules". Imagine if everyone got one freebie, you'd have kids jumping all over the place. Personally I'm not a fan of that, I think as CKSF does that it takes recruiting and transferring to a whole other level.

 

I can see this scenario now. "Well coach, we have been loyal to you for 3 years, but I don't like that you haven't been letting little Johnny throw the ball very much. So, if something doesn't change...well you know Mercer County over there really needs a qb next year...I might just have to take little Johnny over there". Or..."well you know coach, Western Hills could really use a point guard next season...and, well, what if I just take little Johnny over there"?

 

Yes, these scenario might seem somewhat far fetched now...but free transfers? The floodgates open to these kind of situations.

 

So if everyone is doing it I'm guessing you think there are people who want to do it but don't for whatever reason? I don't buy that. Folks who want to transfer are going to do so whether they get a freebie or not. Do you really think rules or no rules is going to make your scenario change at all? I don't.