There needs to be one simple rule, you switch schools you sit out one year, regardless of the reasons.

There to be one simple rule, you switch schools you sit out one year, regardless of the reasons.

 

Disagree. Kids shouldn't be punished when the adults in charge of them don't adhere to the rules.

There needs to be one simple rule, you switch schools you sit out one year, regardless of the reasons.

 

So a parent loses their job and relocates so the kid is not eligible to play?

"most blatant disregard of rules in its 97 year history!"

 

Wow. Think about that.

So a parent loses their job and relocates so the kid is not eligible to play?

 

Or a coach/program breaks every rule in the book and the program gets the death penalty? Maybe it's me but I feel sorry for the kids that are wondering what to do.

I don't have a problem with it either as long as everyone can do it. I'll always be a huge supporter of kids being able to transfer freely but we're talking about a school paying for travel for the kid and his family, paying for housing and all kinds of other stuff. Bringing in a 19 year old 8th grader????? This is pure comedy. This is why Rhodes said..."it's been a great run." The hammer busted him in his jaw and gut. Just stupid. This ain't college.

 

 

Right now, it's not like everyone can do it. Only the privates and traditional powers are really able to right now.

 

Paying for the cost of housing? Think about it. I've seen the pictures of the houses that the kids lived in from the news, and I wouldn't say that they're much nicer than dorms that plenty of schools can put kids in or anything like that. We're talking about houses that were probably already built on Cordia's campus (and not knocking those, just saying, it's probably not Wildcat Lodge).

 

You have to admit, it's kind of naive to think that there aren't programs who get big time transfers who don't have someone (maybe not someone directly involved with the program, but someone) involved in helping the family secure housing (maybe a sweet deal on a below market rental), a job (maybe working at a school as an aid or for a booster or one of their business connections, etc.).

 

In terms of benefits, the situation with Cordia isn't really like a local private school in SA that one of my friends went to where boosters REALLY help kids parents in their housing search for something in the district and enrolls him in a school that's $30,000 per year. This isn't the rich suburb on the outskirts of San Antonio that a different friend went to where a school really helps bankroll the family of a good football player to find housing in their district (where nothing is cheap... as in, every house in the neighborhood is at least a half a million dollar home and the school boundaries are tight as far as what areas can/can't go to their school... i.e., whatever the policy is, it's a front for saying "you need to be one of us"). I know that a year or so ago, you'd referred to the fact that you'd heard other say that there were rumors that a top player in the 12th who transferred in from far away had lived by himself in an apartment. If so, I'd imagine he had a better setup in terms of FMV of the property, amenities, etc. than in this instance. Some kids on teams live with teammates or coaches because their own home situations are so bad. That's sad, but also understandable.

 

 

Paying for travel, I don't have a problem with. I doubt it's like they're flying kids down to Fort Lauderdale for a weekend at the beach or out to Denver for ski trips. I don't see why it's a big deal to help a kid (who might not have as much) to go back home to visit when he's at a boarding school (or any other school). If it weren't an athlete and a teacher helped a kid take a trip somewhere (which probably happens all the time), then aren't we talking about the same thing? Not only that, we'd commend the teacher for being a good person and helping the kid out (but maybe the motivations aren't the same).

 

 

What about programs that pay for team trips to Florida during the season to play in a tournament? That's a pretty nice benefit, but we don't call it an unfair advantage. When you play at a top program, even in high school, you really don't have time to get a part time job considering school and practice. I have no problem if someone is willing to spend their own money on them to do something nice for them and allow them to go back home. Keep in mind, we're talking about a kid going back home to visit family and a kid who left where he was from to come play basketball in the middle of Eastern Kentucky. With the situation that Oowoahtoah was in, you can understand why he'd want to go back and see friends and family, but you'd also understand exactly why he and his parents wanted him to leave and try to "make it out" too.

 

 

IF the accusations of Keita being 19 are true and the school had notice, then shame on them and there's no defending that. I don't think we're going to find anyone who agrees with things like that.

It will be interesting to see what we get in the "Basketball season for 2014/2015 should provide another exciting year. What should we expect from Cordia? Remember, please be constructive." thread in a few weeks.

 

Snot rocket

 

IF the accusations of Keita being 19 are true and the school had notice, then shame on them and there's no defending that. I don't think we're going to find anyone who agrees with things like that.

 

Is there any defending any of it? I'm just asking.

Not sure if anyone posted their statement or not:

 

"We have no comment at this time on the KHSAA sanctions. We are handling this matter through our lawyers, due process, and the courts to rebuke this unfair, unjust, and unprecedented ruling. We are going through the proper appeal process and will be going through the courts, because clearly the KHSAA has no interest in being a fair and unbiased authoritative governing body."

 

Alice Whitaker

Lotts Creek Community School

Right now, it's not like everyone can do it. Only the privates and traditional powers are really able to right now.

 

Paying for the cost of housing? Think about it. I've seen the pictures of the houses that the kids lived in from the news, and I wouldn't say that they're much nicer than dorms that plenty of schools can put kids in or anything like that. We're talking about houses that were probably already built on Cordia's campus (and not knocking those, just saying, it's probably not Wildcat Lodge).

 

You have to admit, it's kind of naive to think that there aren't programs who get big time transfers who don't have someone (maybe not someone directly involved with the program, but someone) involved in helping the family secure housing (maybe a sweet deal on a below market rental), a job (maybe working at a school as an aid or for a booster or one of their business connections, etc.).

 

In terms of benefits, the situation with Cordia isn't really like a local private school in SA that one of my friends went to where boosters REALLY help kids parents in their housing search for something in the district and enrolls him in a school that's $30,000 per year. This isn't the rich suburb on the outskirts of San Antonio that a different friend went to where a school really helps bankroll the family of a good football player to find housing in their district (where nothing is cheap... as in, every house in the neighborhood is at least a half a million dollar home and the school boundaries are tight as far as what areas can/can't go to their school... i.e., whatever the policy is, it's a front for saying "you need to be one of us"). I know that a year or so ago, you'd referred to the fact that you'd heard other say that there were rumors that a top player in the 12th who transferred in from far away had lived by himself in an apartment. If so, I'd imagine he had a better setup in terms of FMV of the property, amenities, etc. than in this instance. Some kids on teams live with teammates or coaches because their own home situations are so bad. That's sad, but also understandable.

 

 

Paying for travel, I don't have a problem with. I doubt it's like they're flying kids down to Fort Lauderdale for a weekend at the beach or out to Denver for ski trips. I don't see why it's a big deal to help a kid (who might not have as much) to go back home to visit when he's at a boarding school (or any other school). If it weren't an athlete and a teacher helped a kid take a trip somewhere (which probably happens all the time), then aren't we talking about the same thing? Not only that, we'd commend the teacher for being a good person and helping the kid out (but maybe the motivations aren't the same).

 

 

What about programs that pay for team trips to Florida during the season to play in a tournament? That's a pretty nice benefit, but we don't call it an unfair advantage. When you play at a top program, even in high school, you really don't have time to get a part time job considering school and practice. I have no problem if someone is willing to spend their own money on them to do something nice for them and allow them to go back home. Keep in mind, we're talking about a kid going back home to visit family and a kid who left where he was from to come play basketball in the middle of Eastern Kentucky. With the situation that Oowoahtoah was in, you can understand why he'd want to go back and see friends and family, but you'd also understand exactly why he and his parents wanted him to leave and try to "make it out" too.

 

 

IF the accusations of Keita being 19 are true and the school had notice, then shame on them and there's no defending that. I don't think we're going to find anyone who agrees with things like that.

 

Here is the English proficiency distributions for Cordia:

 

English Proficiency Distribution

 

English proficiency is determined by student results on the school's Kentucky Core Content Test.

 

Total Students Tested 33

Novice 46%

Apprentice 30%

Proficient 24%

Distinguished 0%

 

ZERO distinguished....There wasn't even any algebra data available. You are defending a schools choice to spend their money illegally on kids that aren't even from this state for travel, housing, food, etc....just so the school can perform well in basketball, when they can't even give the kids that actually live in the district a reasonable chance at a decent education. How is that NOT a problem?

Everybody knew from the get go that this was going on at Corida. I had heard a long time ago that Keita wasn't the age he claimed to be. It was just a matter of time before the KHSAA finally opened their eyes and dropped the hammer. For once they did the right thing

There needs to be one simple rule, you switch schools you sit out one year, regardless of the reasons.

 

Very fair for Army Brats.

 

Extremely fair for families who have had to seek EPOs and need to relocate.

 

Children of a physically abusive marriage? Well, you got away! Now after a year and now you can play! If you'd have stayed where you were, this wouldn't have happened. Sorry about all the time you lost and how the roughest part was being in a new school where you couldn't play your sport and make friends with the guys you shared interests with. Bonding's overrated! I'm sure you're happy as a lone wolf instead of knowing and having a group to support you if you were allowed to play with your soccer team, eh, eh, eh, ..... [trailing] ey, am I... right?!!!!"

 

Great for when someone splits custody between children and those parents live reasonably far away from one another.

 

Let's go back a year. What about a situation when, say, someone wants to hire Lafayette Assistant Jonathon Davis away from Lafayette. If his Dad go the Job at Lexington Catholic, do we say that Jonathon goes back to Lafayette to play? Or is he just ineligible for a year at Lexington Catholic? I'd imagine Jonathon wanted Jackson on his team if he were to coach. If we make an exception for him though, then the floodgates open.

 

So what happens if we're looking at a guy like say, Rodney Woods leaves Wayne County to take the Holmes job. His son, Peyton Woods, could stay at Wayne County for the season (and live away from his family), or he could sit out a year after he joined him at Holmes.

 

Too many innocent people hurt in this one.

 

These are just extreme examples, but think of the number of kids who move (find cheaper housing, get a better job offer, etc.

 

 

I'm more for letting everyone do the transfer process as it is now and worry abut the rest later.

Here is the English proficiency distributions for Cordia:

 

English Proficiency Distribution

 

English proficiency is determined by student results on the school's Kentucky Core Content Test.

 

Total Students Tested 33

Novice 46%

Apprentice 30%

Proficient 24%

Distinguished 0%

 

ZERO distinguished....There wasn't even any algebra data available. You are defending a schools choice to spend their money illegally on kids that aren't even from this state for travel, housing, food, etc....just so the school can perform well in basketball, when they can't even give the kids that actually live in the district a reasonable chance at a decent education. How is that NOT a problem?

 

 

 

I'd like a cite for those facts you just gave, not because I don't believe them, but because I'd like to look at these years versus other years and see exactly how their rankings were effected. I'm not sure than one single year is going to be able to prove a lot in isolation.

 

 

I went to an underperforming Mountain School (Clay County). My standardized test taking skills were highly subpar. I made a 22 on my ACT (took it first time I could during my Junior year... I pained my chest for a Clay/Jackson basketball game, got home late, showered...didn't all come off.... tired, I went to bed, got up early and made the score I needed to get to get into UK, figured my parents made too much for me to get too much scholarship money and that I couldn't compete with the top end, so I was fine to cruise. Cruise through most of college, if by cruise I mean, enjoyed the experience (I'll leave that open to interpretation. I graduate UK in four years, never really struggle with classes outside of my freshman year where it was just an issue of not being prepared by my high school for what I'd be up against.

 

I know the last hurdles before me and law school are my grades and the LSAT. In my last semester at UK, I came out of nowhere to get a 3.75 and on Dean's List while taking some very hard, upper level Philosophy and Political Science classes (PHI and Poli Sci are the 2 most commonly accepted majors to law schools to give you the idea of the competition you'll be up against, especially with everyone applying to law schools. I did that because I decided that it was time to turn it on and for me to work hard. When it's like that, I can do it. I'm not good at "gaming" tests though. I"m great at essays (though).

 

Anyway, the first time I took the LSAT, I didn't do as well as I thought (as I said... I don't test well, and I think there's a reason EKY schools don't test well either... they don't teach the test and how to cerebrally attack it and/or use strategies to take it, but I digress.

 

I retake the and my dreams of law school come along and I know I have to buckle in. I get a high enough LSAT grade to give me options (St. Mary's, Northern Kentucky, Waitlisted @ U of L, Waitlisted @ Ole Miss, Florida International (really growing school, has potential).

 

I'll be taking the bar tomorrow morning, have had my bar card and went to a school just like Cordia, so I'd just like to say that looking back through their scores over the years, if the trend is that there is little variance each year in their classes, but the results of a private state test show that they're "underperforming", it doesn't mean their dumb, etc. It's more likely that either someone in their school system has failed them when it comes to "gaming" those tests, OR, (and more likely) someone in their family has not worked with them, disincentivized education in their home, and/or some combination of home and socio-cultural factors are coming into play that mask intelligence that the kids have or at least could have.

Knew something was going to happen,just didn't know when or how severe.

Right now, it's not like everyone can do it. Only the privates and traditional powers are really able to right now.

 

Paying for the cost of housing? Think about it. I've seen the pictures of the houses that the kids lived in from the news, and I wouldn't say that they're much nicer than dorms that plenty of schools can put kids in or anything like that. We're talking about houses that were probably already built on Cordia's campus (and not knocking those, just saying, it's probably not Wildcat Lodge).

 

You have to admit, it's kind of naive to think that there aren't programs who get big time transfers who don't have someone (maybe not someone directly involved with the program, but someone) involved in helping the family secure housing (maybe a sweet deal on a below market rental), a job (maybe working at a school as an aid or for a booster or one of their business connections, etc.).

 

In terms of benefits, the situation with Cordia isn't really like a local private school in SA that one of my friends went to where boosters REALLY help kids parents in their housing search for something in the district and enrolls him in a school that's $30,000 per year. This isn't the rich suburb on the outskirts of San Antonio that a different friend went to where a school really helps bankroll the family of a good football player to find housing in their district (where nothing is cheap... as in, every house in the neighborhood is at least a half a million dollar home and the school boundaries are tight as far as what areas can/can't go to their school... i.e., whatever the policy is, it's a front for saying "you need to be one of us"). I know that a year or so ago, you'd referred to the fact that you'd heard other say that there were rumors that a top player in the 12th who transferred in from far away had lived by himself in an apartment. If so, I'd imagine he had a better setup in terms of FMV of the property, amenities, etc. than in this instance. Some kids on teams live with teammates or coaches because their own home situations are so bad. That's sad, but also understandable.

 

 

Paying for travel, I don't have a problem with. I doubt it's like they're flying kids down to Fort Lauderdale for a weekend at the beach or out to Denver for ski trips. I don't see why it's a big deal to help a kid (who might not have as much) to go back home to visit when he's at a boarding school (or any other school). If it weren't an athlete and a teacher helped a kid take a trip somewhere (which probably happens all the time), then aren't we talking about the same thing? Not only that, we'd commend the teacher for being a good person and helping the kid out (but maybe the motivations aren't the same).

 

 

What about programs that pay for team trips to Florida during the season to play in a tournament? That's a pretty nice benefit, but we don't call it an unfair advantage. When you play at a top program, even in high school, you really don't have time to get a part time job considering school and practice. I have no problem if someone is willing to spend their own money on them to do something nice for them and allow them to go back home. Keep in mind, we're talking about a kid going back home to visit family and a kid who left where he was from to come play basketball in the middle of Eastern Kentucky. With the situation that Oowoahtoah was in, you can understand why he'd want to go back and see friends and family, but you'd also understand exactly why he and his parents wanted him to leave and try to "make it out" too.

 

 

IF the accusations of Keita being 19 are true and the school had notice, then shame on them and there's no defending that. I don't think we're going to find anyone who agrees with things like that.

 

Not like everyone can do it? Only the privates and traditional powers can do it? Name names then. Who is doing it?

 

Paying for the cost of housing? Again, who is doing it? Name names on that one.

 

I've heard a lot of things. I refuse to bring up many of the things I hear and discuss privately in a public forum because I don't want to look stupid if it turns out to be false.

 

Paying for travel is asinine. And comparing what Cordia is said to have done is way different than a Christmas tournament in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

Look, you defended Cordia all year long and now you have egg on your face. Just man up and say they screwed up instead of trying to defend "the most blatant disregard of the rules in the 97 year history of the KHSAA." I defended Cordia as well but there is no defending this. This is asinine on so many levels.