I understand due process, but considering that thing was blown up anyway, am I the only one that thinks this is a little hollow?

 

Hollow? I don't follow. If the KHSAA is going to give a school a death penalty they better have their ducks on a row.

Oh yes, the obligatory 'everyone does it' 'the bigger schools do this all the time' posts. Go to the Controversial Issues forum and name names or kill that noise.

The joker said it best.....

"They just do it bigger and better"....

 

 

Yep. I'll still stand by that one.

 

Even without Cordia in the mix, the 14th still has it's fair share of transfers (and we can say the same for the State on the whole). Hazard had Chris Hudson last year, but that was probably motivated by his desire to play football (he's a TE at Miami of Ohio). Perry County Central gets 2 kids from Philadelphia last season, had Jaysean Paige come in from New York (who is just now at WVU), Justin Johnson comes with Spurlock, and now a kid or two from places like Buckhorn and Breathitt County. Knott County Central gets Justice, Simmons, 2 local kids that left during the Cordia influx, and more.

 

Cordia gets punished. Not saying they didn't deserve it if all of the accusations prove true. Just saying that it's the small school with no tradition that took the brunt of it (but that small school was also bringing in kids from all over as opposed to mainly local kids and fought the KHSAA in court more than once).

 

At the end of the day, I'll still tip my hat to Cordia. They don't have the talent in their system to be a real threat to win region. They played their hand, went all in and pushed their chips to the middle of the table, and had the rest of the region and state worried. Not easy to do. BTW, I'm not tipping my hat to the violations, just tipping my hat to their willingness to try and be bold.

 

If a kid and/or his parents got help with housing, got a plane ticket home, was provided with food and clothing, had the cost of attendance paid, and/or was provided housing, I don't really have a problem with. I won't speak to the other violations, but many of the things in the aforementioned list are the kinds of things that people are criticizing the NCAA for not doing enough of. Sorry, but if we're going to drop the hammer on programs for providing kids with things, that's a heavy ax to swing if we want to be technical.

 

Not saying that the KHSAA was unfair to Cordia, especially considering the court battles that the Highlands loophole exposed, just saying that I'd wonder how many other places in the State with top basketball programs who get kids in are guilty of things like "falsifying records, or maintaining inaccurate records with regards to living arrangements of transferring student-athletes" if we are going to be technical.

 

I'd imagine that any local kid at Cordia who could play at any of the other schools in the region has already left for those schools. Cordia goes back to being Cordia. Aside from the monetary fines, they haven't really lost much. They took the chance on giving their community something special and just pushed the limits of an already dirty game too far.

 

Enough already.

Yep. I'll still stand by that one.

 

Even without Cordia in the mix, the 14th still has it's fair share of transfers (and we can say the same for the State on the whole). Hazard had Chris Hudson last year, but that was probably motivated by his desire to play football (he's a TE at Miami of Ohio). Perry County Central gets 2 kids from Philadelphia last season, had Jaysean Paige come in from New York (who is just now at WVU), Justin Johnson comes with Spurlock, and now a kid or two from places like Buckhorn and Breathitt County. Knott County Central gets Justice, Simmons, 2 local kids that left during the Cordia influx, and more.

 

Cordia gets punished. Not saying they didn't deserve it if all of the accusations prove true. Just saying that it's the small school with no tradition that took the brunt of it (but that small school was also bringing in kids from all over as opposed to mainly local kids and fought the KHSAA in court more than once).

 

At the end of the day, I'll still tip my hat to Cordia. They don't have the talent in their system to be a real threat to win region. They played their hand, went all in and pushed their chips to the middle of the table, and had the rest of the region and state worried. Not easy to do. BTW, I'm not tipping my hat to the violations, just tipping my hat to their willingness to try and be bold.

 

If a kid and/or his parents got help with housing, got a plane ticket home, was provided with food and clothing, had the cost of attendance paid, and/or was provided housing, I don't really have a problem with. I won't speak to the other violations, but many of the things in the aforementioned list are the kinds of things that people are criticizing the NCAA for not doing enough of. Sorry, but if we're going to drop the hammer on programs for providing kids with things, that's a heavy ax to swing if we want to be technical.

 

Not saying that the KHSAA was unfair to Cordia, especially considering the court battles that the Highlands loophole exposed, just saying that I'd wonder how many other places in the State with top basketball programs who get kids in are guilty of things like "falsifying records, or maintaining inaccurate records with regards to living arrangements of transferring student-athletes" if we are going to be technical.

 

I'd imagine that any local kid at Cordia who could play at any of the other schools in the region has already left for those schools. Cordia goes back to being Cordia. Aside from the monetary fines, they haven't really lost much. They took the chance on giving their community something special and just pushed the limits of an already dirty game too far.

 

Whatever. That's their own fault for being stupid enough to do all the dumb crap they did and then get caught. This isn't even similar to Fairview. They called Fairview and dialed it up 10 more notches. The stupidity and arrogance of Cordia and the people who pulled the trigger on these decisions is one of the craziest things I have seen in KY high school sports in a long time.

 

They had a 19 year old 8th grader. This is asinine.

Whatever. That's their own fault for being stupid enough to do all the dumb crap they did and then get caught. This isn't even similar to Fairview. They called Fairview and dialed it up 10 more notches. The stupidity and arrogance of Cordia and the people who pulled the trigger on these decisions is one of the craziest things I have seen in KY high school sports in a long time.

 

They had a 19 year old 8th grader. This is asinine.

 

 

07/28/14 ? Cordia High School Receives Sanctions From KHSAA; Boys? Basketball Team Suspended From Play in 2014-15 | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

 

If they had a 19 year old 8th grader, that's obviously wrong and I'm not defending that at all. I just didn't see that in the press release from the KHSAA and didn't know that's what this was all about.

07/28/14 ? Cordia High School Receives Sanctions From KHSAA; Boys? Basketball Team Suspended From Play in 2014-15 | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

 

If they had a 19 year old 8th grader, that's obviously wrong and I'm not defending that at all. I just didn't see that in the press release from the KHSAA and didn't know that's what this was all about.

 

Ask around. Plenty of people were questioning Kieta's age, documentation, etc. When it came time to answer the questions he dipped. Make your own assumptions.

 

The press release didn't name any names. The press release did list the 14 rules that they broke. I don't think prep schools can operate in the fashion that Cordia tried to. Asinine. I wouldn't let them play sports for 5 years.

With all due respect, I'm curious to hear Jokers and especially thecrossover's take on this, since some of us were "taken to task" for what we were saying about this situation way back when.

 

 

What specifically did I take you to task on that you'd like me to explain?

 

You said that you'd heard they were being investigated. I said that I hadn't heard that. You said you heard from someone who was more than the "average person". You had the scoop and I hadn't heard anything about it.

 

I don't have a problem with Cordia giving benefits to talented basketball players to help them out (plane ticket home, housing, food, clothes, etc.). I don't have a problem with any school doing that. Kids go to Oak Hill and get all types of benefits (though more indirect and in the vein of good coaching, development of life skills, increased likelihood of being seen by scouts, etc.).

 

I do have a problem if they don't make them go to class, saying a kid isn't his correct age, kids being used and discarded, etc.

 

I'll stand by saying Cordia wasn't the only program in the State doing it and that their only real chance to compete was to dive into the underbelly of the game. They definitely look like one of the worst offenders, but I don't think they're the only ones doing some of the things they were being accused of that are the kinds of things I don't have a problem with.

Ask around. Plenty of people were questioning Kieta's age, documentation, etc. When it came time to answer the questions he dipped. Make your own assumptions.

 

The press release didn't name any names. The press release did list the 14 rules that they broke. I don't think prep schools can operate in the fashion that Cordia tried to. Asinine. I wouldn't let them play sports for 5 years.

 

 

If true, I have no problem with them being punished for passing a kid off as an 8th grader if he's 19.

 

I don't care if prep schools technically can or can't operate in the realm that Cordia did, the fact is that many do when it comes to things like housing, cost of attendance, transportation, clothing, etc. I really don't have a problem with that part no matter who is doing it.

I'd never seen a picture of the kid prior to tonight and just want to know who really thought that kid was 14 years old?

 

Watched him play twice. I never thought he was 13 or 14. I never thought he was 19 either though. :lol2:

Sure? I've got 6 more made up.. .

If true, I have no problem with them being punished for passing a kid off as an 8th grader if he's 19.

 

I don't care if prep schools technically can or can't operate in the realm that Cordia did, the fact is that many do when it comes to things like housing, cost of attendance, transportation, clothing, etc. I really don't have a problem with that part no matter who is doing it.

 

I don't have a problem with it either as long as everyone can do it. I'll always be a huge supporter of kids being able to transfer freely but we're talking about a school paying for travel for the kid and his family, paying for housing and all kinds of other stuff. Bringing in a 19 year old 8th grader????? This is pure comedy. This is why Rhodes said..."it's been a great run." The hammer busted him in his jaw and gut. Just stupid. This ain't college.

It will be interesting to see what we get in the "Basketball season for 2014/2015 should provide another exciting year. What should we expect from Cordia? Remember, please be constructive." thread in a few weeks.