I have yet to run into anyone who says that they wish they had one freebie transfer. There are so many risks that come in transferring and those that transfer are going to do so whether they get a freebie or not. The numbers may skyrocket with one freebie transfer but I don't care. Let them play. Want to leave again? You better be moving legitimately.

 

Couldn't part of the reason you DON'T see them already is because there isn't much incentive to transfer when you know full well you don't meet Bylaw 6?

 

It's not like you see Male kids trying to go to Ballard and John-North-Central Hardin kids trying to go to E'town without moving all the time and being found ineligible left right and center.

 

 

As far as not sending my kid to Assumption as a freshman, why spend $80,000 (four years at $20,000) a year when $20,000 (one year, i.e. senior year) will get the same goal in her most important (senior) season ... playing with a top-quality team against national competition with better talent around her?

 

Also the same reason many parents send their kids to publics k-8 and private 9-12 ... heck of a lot cheaper.

Couldn't part of the reason you DON'T see them already is because there isn't much incentive to transfer when you know full well you don't meet Bylaw 6?

 

It's not like you see Male kids trying to go to Ballard and John-North-Central Hardin kids trying to go to E'town without moving all the time and being found ineligible left right and center.

 

 

As far as not sending my kid to Assumption as a freshman, why spend $80,000 (four years at $20,000) a year when $20,000 (one year, i.e. senior year) will get the same goal in her most important (senior) season ... playing with a top-quality team against national competition with better talent around her?

 

Also the same reason many parents send their kids to publics k-8 and private 9-12 ... heck of a lot cheaper.

 

I see people transferring quite a bit but I also see people moving in order to comply with Bylaw 6. Either way, I don't have any issues with granting kids one freebie. If transfers spike then so be it. If a kid and their family think the transfer is for the best then let them move on.

Pretty sure that spindoc has said that this is the wave of the future.

 

Yep.

In that case, Pulaski County only has the ability to dictate that they will not enter into an agreement to allow SEEK funding to follow nonresidents. It is not in their power to deny a student's ability to transfer. If Science Hill or Somerset wanted to accept a child without funding, they may do so. They could also compel a student transferring to simply pay a tuition equivalent to the SEEK funding and not miss a beat. Believe me, we have been dealing with this stuff here in BG/Warren County for two years - I'm well versed on this.

 

Bottom line is that if they want to accept that student, they can absolutely do so and there's not a blessed thing the original district can really do. And I do believe a transfer rule like has been proposed in this thread would lead to a dramatic increase. We have a decent amount of movement even now here in Warren County.

 

 

I knew about the SEEK money. While Pulaski County can't keep the students from transferring to Somerset by denying the SEEK money they are essentially doing the same thing. Somerset can't afford to accept a bunch of students without getting the state money or charging high tuition--in a rural area like Pulaski County that isn't really feasible for most families.

So what grade is Keita considered?

I noticed hes listed as an 8th grader on KHSAA right..

Searched the web and noticed he's listed as a SOPH on NBA draft net in 2013?

The Crossover, would you like to comment of any of this?:idunno::popcorn:

 

Probably not. Crossover hasn't been on the site since basketball season.

 

I'm just guessing, but as the mother of a kid who is no long there but who benefitted from the exposure of playing in front of more coaches and helping his chances on getting to college and out of a rougher public school that was bad for gangs and fights (which was her whole motivation in sending him to Cordia), their objectives have probably already been met.

 

In a private conversation with her this past winter, she was complimentary of the school's faculty and how they'd worked with her son, to the Cordia community for how they supported kids of different backgrounds as their own, etc.

Just to add, I think Crossover would respond if she did log on again, but she hasn't been on in awhile and posted since around the end of the season. I really respect Crossover because she's a hard working mother who sent her son to Kentucky in hopes it'd help send him to college and out of a rougher school back home that she'd publicly mentioned some things going on at in terms of fights, etc. Can't fault her for that.

 

I would imagine that she's the type of person whose more worried about the next step for her son and getting ready to send him to college. I'll also say that if he'd signed with Kentucky, I don't think she'd have stuck around BGP to rub it in either. The interest with her was a personal one and if she doesn't post anymore, I'd guess it's probably because she doesn't have as vested of an interest in what's going on at Cordia with her son gone and not because she wanted to pull a long con by getting everyone riled up with her comments then ducking out later.

Maybe "taken to task" was the wrong phrase.......however if it walks, talks, & smells like a pig there is a damn good chance it's a pig....that's what most of us were saying, while you and others were on the defensive. You and a few others didn't see this, at least that's how I how took it. Your a smart guy, and I respect your insight, but how in the world did you not see all this coming.

 

Cordia and Oak Hill are "light years apart", and giving benefits to talented basketball players such as plane ticket home, housing, food, clothes, etc only screams of the "R" word.

"I'll stand by saying Cordia wasn't the only program in the State doing it"...........Who else was/is doing it? And are they doing it to the unbelievable level that Cordia did.

 

Start with 9/10 of schools who've gotten foreign exchange kids in the last decade or two. That's a handful on it's own right there, and we've not even started talking about teams that get kids from neighboring states or wind up having one of the most talented players in their nearby region just show up on their doorstep when school starts.

 

Again, IF TRUE, I'm not agreeing at all with what's been said on here about the Keita situation. If that's how things went down, nothing about that is right.

 

As far as benefits like paying the cost of attendance, helping families find housing, plane tickets to go home for a holiday or to visit family occasionally, I don't have a problem with any school doing that in a reasonable way. The "two plane tickets" was probably a trip home and back and we don't know why that trip was made. What if it's a player's close relative who died and he didn't have the money to go home? As a person, I don't care if there's a rule against it or not, if that's the situation, I have no problem helping the kid out by buying the ticket and worrying about whatever else comes later. I think much is being made of the plane ticket when there's an entirely good reason that they could have bought it. I'm doubtful it was a Spring Break to Cabo or weekend at Coachella in Los Angeles then back to Cordia.

Joker, I really don't see how you can say this. They cheated...in a GRAND fashion. Tipping one's hat to them for trying this is essentially tipping ones hat to them for cheating. Since you used poker in your analogy, I will as well. In poker, you play the hand you're dealt (basketball, play the players you have). In the old days, the gambler who hid cards up his sleeve or dealt off the bottom of the deck may very well have gotten shot when caught. He paid for not playing the hand he was dealt, paid for "stacking the deck". That's exactly what has happened to Cordia here, they are paying for stacking the deck. And it's very unfortunate that they decided to go this route because now there's one less school next year that will have basketball. And it all could have been easily avoided.

 

 

And I'd argue that there's "cheating" to get an advantage over everyone else and "cheating" just to keep up.

Sorry, I am not buying any defense of this activity in any way. We are talking about corruption in HS athletics .........and the argument has gone from everyone else is doing it, to grades/tests don't matter you can get to law school anyway, to it's OK to use taxes/funds for education to supplement a schools basketball team? Enough already.............

 

 

I think you are the one missing the point. Let me break it down for you so the law school thing makes more sense as I intended it to come off.

 

Someone called the academic record of Cordia into question. I made the statement that if I were guessing, there probably wasn't a huge change in their test scores overall from before and after the players came. I said that doesn't mean kids at Cordia weren't smart, just that maybe they didn't test well. I used myself as an example. I don't think I ever said "grades/test don't matter you can get to law school anyway". I do think I implied that just because someone does bad on a standardized test doesn't mean they're dumb, especially when someone points to a single sample and tries to make an assumption about it as a fact that they apply to a whole group as a blanket statement.

 

Christien Cunningham went on a visit to Harvard and is Ivy League smart. I would imagine that there weren't more than one or two kids in the past decade that graduated Cordia who went to an Ivy League school, so if they added 12 kids over 2 years, just given the improvement that Cunningham would bring to the overall test scores by himself probably makes up for a ton of dead weight (if any of the transfers even brought that).

 

Cordia is only partially funded by the State. The whole "taxpayer argument" in that regard is weak and if people cared that much about what their taxes went to as far as pork spending on other things, then America would be in a much better shape as a society.

Probably not. Crossover hasn't been on the site since basketball season.

 

I'm just guessing, but as the mother of a kid who is no long there but who benefitted from the exposure of playing in front of more coaches and helping his chances on getting to college and out of a rougher public school that was bad for gangs and fights (which was her whole motivation in sending him to Cordia), their objectives have probably already been met.

 

In a private conversation with her this past winter, she was complimentary of the school's faculty and how they'd worked with her son, to the Cordia community for how they supported kids of different backgrounds as their own, etc.

 

I said something to this effect before we knew for sure what was going on in a previous thread back in the winter and I will reiterate again; Cordia did NONE of these kids any favors by doing what they did...and now the school, the basketball program, and any kids left in the wake of this disaster are left to suffer and pick up the pieces. Essentially NO basketball team next year Joker. A 1 year death penalty. No post season the year after, for whatever team they MIGHT have then, if they do have one. The KHSAA even said...and maybe there is a little hyperbole here, but it still rings badly...worst example of blatant violations in the 97 year history of the KHSAA. I don't get how you can keep defending Cordia and the situation that occurred there.

 

You also keep bringing up Cunningham and Harvard as if Cordia was the ONLY place he could have played ball/gone to school and made that happen. You don't really think that do you? He could have gone to almost any other school in the state and if Harvard liked him, they would have approached him and/or he would have almost certainly had the same opportunity. Anderson Co, Mercer, Danville, Pulaski, Mayfield, Paducah Tilghman, pick one. Heck, I'd argue that from what I have seen as far as the "quality" of education comparatively found at Cordia (according to overall test numbers), he probably would have been BETTER off going somewhere else.

 

As for the Crossover, I posted that rather sarcastically...I know she hasn't been around in a while and may very well never visit this site again. She so sternly defended Cordia and the program and told us all who saw an issue there that we didn't know what we were talking about...and besides insulting our intelligence she also suggested that we were somehow racists because of our views. I would really really like to hear what she has to say on this matter now that everything has hit the fan and been brought to light. But somehow I seriously doubt that will happen.

I think you are the one missing the point. Let me break it down for you so the law school thing makes more sense as I intended it to come off.

 

Someone called the academic record of Cordia into question. I made the statement that if I were guessing, there probably wasn't a huge change in their test scores overall from before and after the players came. I said that doesn't mean kids at Cordia weren't smart, just that maybe they didn't test well. I used myself as an example. I don't think I ever said "grades/test don't matter you can get to law school anyway". I do think I implied that just because someone does bad on a standardized test doesn't mean they're dumb, especially when someone points to a single sample and tries to make an assumption about it as a fact that they apply to a whole group as a blanket statement.

 

Christien Cunningham went on a visit to Harvard and is Ivy League smart. I would imagine that there weren't more than one or two kids in the past decade that graduated Cordia who went to an Ivy League school, so if they added 12 kids over 2 years, just given the improvement that Cunningham would bring to the overall test scores by himself probably makes up for a ton of dead weight (if any of the transfers even brought that).

 

Cordia is only partially funded by the State. The whole "taxpayer argument" in that regard is weak and if people cared that much about what their taxes went to as far as pork spending on other things, then America would be in a much better shape as a society.

 

And Christen Cunningham transferred back to Henry Clay as soon as the season was over.

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Start with 9/10 of schools who've gotten foreign exchange kids in the last decade or two. That's a handful on it's own right there, and we've not even started talking about teams that get kids from neighboring states or wind up having one of the most talented players in their nearby region just show up on their doorstep when school starts.

 

Again, IF TRUE, I'm not agreeing at all with what's been said on here about the Keita situation. If that's how things went down, nothing about that is right.

 

As far as benefits like paying the cost of attendance, helping families find housing, plane tickets to go home for a holiday or to visit family occasionally, I don't have a problem with any school doing that in a reasonable way. The "two plane tickets" was probably a trip home and back and we don't know why that trip was made. What if it's a player's close relative who died and he didn't have the money to go home? As a person, I don't care if there's a rule against it or not, if that's the situation, I have no problem helping the kid out by buying the ticket and worrying about whatever else comes later. I think much is being made of the plane ticket when there's an entirely good reason that they could have bought it. I'm doubtful it was a Spring Break to Cabo or weekend at Coachella in Los Angeles then back to Cordia.

 

It doesn't matter the reason why the school paid for the plane tickets. That's against the rules. Schools can't pay for things like that and if there is a way for the schools to pay for it they should have followed the rules properly to pay for it. It's really that simple.

BigVMan, I put crossover in the same category as someone who comes on here talking up the sports program that they follow and trashing everyone else in the way. Then when they lose, they disappear, many until the next season. Well, this was a HUGE lose. By the person not coming back on here speaks volumes! It tells me they know 100% we were 100% correct and that they were 100% wrong!

And Christen Cunningham transferred back to Henry Clay as soon as the season was over.

 

Dang I forgot about that...you're right.