February 23, 201412 yr I agree that this one is hard to tell. With that said, I wouldn't have called it in that situation. No call and let it go.
February 23, 201412 yr Only reason you guys have such issue with this is when it happened. Consensus of the experts, the ones who dont own UK bedsheets and underwear, is once you look in slow mo it was the right call. Certainly wasnt the worst call of the night. The flagrant 2 in the first half owns that hands down. Wasnt even a foul, let alone flagrant. K didnt run around and act like a two year old. Boeheim cost his team an opportunity to still win this game. Even his senior captain CJ Fair said as much after the game.
February 23, 201412 yr When does upward motion begin? Picks up the ball? Plants his pivot? Once the dribble is stopped the shooting motion begins... I agree that this one is hard to tell. With that said, I wouldn't have called it in that situation. No call and let it go. No call is not an option. It has to be one or the other. To add to Greene's challenge you'll notice that the play happens while he's in the middle of a switch.
February 23, 201412 yr Only reason you guys have such issue with this is when it happened. Consensus of the experts, the ones who dont own UK bedsheets and underwear, is once you look in slow mo it was the right call. Certainly wasnt the worst call of the night. The flagrant 2 in the first half owns that hands down. Wasnt even a foul, let alone flagrant. I won't say "consensus" but I will say MUCH closer than 99% are claiming if you use the actual wording of the rulebook. The "intentional" foul call in the first half against Duke was really, really bad. He didn't see what his brain told him he saw.
February 23, 201412 yr I bet everybody who says it wasn't a charge either A.) likes UK or B.) hates Duke Love the perspective. And so far everyone saying it's a charge loves Duke so what's your point?
February 23, 201412 yr And so far everyone saying it's a charge loves Duke so what's your point? I dont love Duke. In fact root against them every time they play, save vs Tar Heels, then i just dont watch. Live I was screaming like Boeheim. Watching it back, I still cant discern. For anyone to be so resolute either way shows lack of objective. It was close.
February 23, 201412 yr Here's the wording. NCAA 4-17-4-d: "When the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard shall have attained legal guarding position before the opponent begins his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass." The stopping of the dribble really isn't a factor. It's really close on this play . I've got the defender as being there when his upward motion starts (not when he picks up his dribble). No way anyone can say it was an "obvious miss." Way too close. How is "legal guarding position" defined in the rule book?
February 23, 201412 yr Once the dribble is stopped the shooting motion begins... IS there a definition of this? Regardless, I've never complained of one call in a loss, it amazes me the amount of people that complain about a call at the end of a game. What about the travel call at the 18:52 mark (just made this up). The #1 person to blame right now, is Boeheim himself.
February 23, 201412 yr How is "legal guarding position" defined in the rule book? Two feet on the floor Torso facing the opponent
February 23, 201412 yr Two feet on the floor Torso facing the opponent Apparently, there is no mention of torso-leaning, front, back or sideways, correct? You can have "two feet on the floor" and yet be sliding, with your feet never leaving the floor. Sliding used to be an issue in the call, I thought. Under the current rule, do the feet have to be stationary? Thanks for your officiating responses.
February 23, 201412 yr Apparently, there is no mention of torso-leaning, front, back or sideways, correct? You can have "two feet on the floor" and yet be sliding, with your feet never leaving the floor. Sliding used to be an issue in the call, I thought. Under the current rule, do the feet have to be stationary? Thanks for your officiating responses. I gave you the requirements to establish LGP. Feet do not have to be stationary. You cannot slide under a shooter. You CAN be moving backwards after establishing LGP which is why the call where SU was called for a block instead of Parker being called for a PC seemed incorrect to me.
February 23, 201412 yr I bet everybody who says it wasn't a charge either A.) likes UK or B.) hates Duke Love the perspective. Not this guy.
February 23, 201412 yr And so far everyone saying it's a charge loves Duke so what's your point? That is my point. People ALWAYS see what they want to see when it comes to the refs and Duke and NOONE who isn't a Duke fan ever sides with Duke. Got to page 2 before anyone mentioned the intentional foul call. I'm going to keep my homer glasses on and you guys do the same. Life goes on.
February 23, 201412 yr I thought it was a charge live, after seeing replay about 100 times or so i still think charge. Although it is close but in no way is it obviously a block. he was set and shuffled his feet a little right as the cuse player began his jump. If this is an obvious block then about 80% of all charge calls are wrong. Tough call at tough time in game. Jim's reaction took away any oppurtunity the had of winning it. For the record i am a UK fan do not care for duke but always watch the game from an open point of view(at least try to).
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