I'll bet the "other" state champions in Indiana other than the hugh schools don't think it is a horrible idea. If it is that bad in Indiana, why don't they vote to go back to the way it was. By the way, since you are a Somerset fan, don't you think your football players get a little more excited with the idea they really have a chance to win a state title by beating someone their size rather than Trinity, etc?

Yeah the small schools are the ones that hated it, one week your state champ (in your class) the next week your getting beat down to end your season on a low note. Small schools in Indiana did not like it. It was put in when Indiana went from one class to multi class in basketball, to keep those that liked the old way happy. I don't know if they still do it or not, I think it stopped several years ago.

Football and Basketball are two complete different animals when it comes to competing against larger schools. Basketball can be successful with 4or5 really good kids and one good coach' date=' football needs many more really good athletes and several good coaches.[/quote']

 

Correct. Let me go on record as supporting FB in this discussion.

I have "heard" that St Henry and NCC have a reciprocal agreement. They are usually scheduled to play in mid-Feb. Last year they did not play because NCC had played too many games.

 

 

Right, but I'm wondering what St. Henry gets out of the deal?

 

Conversation:

"Hey, we want you to let us drop this game we had with you. It seems we overscheduled this year. Is that alright? Hope you understand."

 

Someone will lose the experience of playing and getting better, plus revenue from the gate, concessions, etc. that comes with it. I could see that leading to some hard feelings.

 

I just wonder what's in it for a school like St. Henry in that scenario.

I'm surprised that St. Henry would agree to a reciprocal with NCC seeing how they are NKAC Division II opponents.

Perhaps it's time for an All 'A' Classic, as well as an All 'AA' Classic running side by side, with the championship games played at the same location, but still leave the Sweet 16 just as it is to not spoil its magic, and if a small school happens to have a great season, they also have a chance at the big prize at Rupp in March to keep the possibility, however small, of the "Hoosier" element to still exist for that possible charm and excitement.

 

I'm not suggesting adding anymore teams into the mix for the 2 Classics, just simply divide by enrollment the teams that already exist in the All 'A' into "A" and "AA".

 

Its been mentioned that with NewCath being so good "this year" it's a slippery slope that they're in the All "A".

 

Why should they be penalized for being good? They're only worthy to play when they're not so good?

 

It is obvious that the All 'A' has sorta gotten away from its original intent, and by having two classics you do somehow have a classes kind of thing that most states have, but not treated completely as such when allowing for any team, small or large to still participate in the Sweet 16.

 

I don't know the enrollment for all of the schools in the 9th Region, so this is completely speculation, but say for example in the "A" you could have Heritage, Latin, Dayton, Bellevue, Ludlow, and Beechwood, and in the "AA" something like NewCath, Newport, Lloyd, St. Henry, Holy Cross, where you have two teams from each region advance to their respective "A" and "AA" State classics.

 

Since I'm not anywhere near keen to each and every region, and its participants, and their enrollments, I suppose this formula may not be as easy to generate throughout the state considering some regions may be more loaded with "A" type enrollments than "AA" type enrollments, making this idea invalid, then I could see where my thoughts here could be all for naught.

 

I do believe that if the state of Kentucky ever went to 3 classes for 3 official state titles, then much of the magic that has existed for years would be lost, and that would be sad.

 

That's just my 2 cents, and I'm open to be shown where this thought is completely ridiculous, as it's merely off the top of my head without researching the enrollments of each team throughout the state that already exist in the All 'A'.

Perhaps it's time for an All 'A' Classic, as well as an All 'AA' Classic running side by side, with the championship games played at the same location, but still leave the Sweet 16 just as it is to not spoil its magic, and if a small school happens to have a great season, they also have a chance at the big prize at Rupp in March to keep the possibility, however small, of the "Hoosier" element to still exist for that possible charm and excitement.

 

I'm not suggesting adding anymore teams into the mix for the 2 Classics, just simply divide by enrollment the teams that already exist in the All 'A' into "A" and "AA".

 

Its been mentioned that with NewCath being so good "this year" it's a slippery slope that they're in the All "A".

 

Why should they be penalized for being good? They're only worthy to play when they're not so good?

 

It is obvious that the All 'A' has sorta gotten away from its original intent, and by having two classics you do somehow have a classes kind of thing that most states have, but not treated completely as such when allowing for any team, small or large to still participate in the Sweet 16.

 

I don't know the enrollment for all of the schools in the 9th Region, so this is completely speculation, but say for example in the "A" you could have Heritage, Latin, Dayton, Bellevue, Ludlow, and Beechwood, and in the "AA" something like NewCath, Newport, Lloyd, St. Henry, Holy Cross, where you have two teams from each region advance to their respective "A" and "AA" State classics.

 

Since I'm not anywhere near keen to each and every region, and its participants, and their enrollments, I suppose this formula may not be as easy to generate throughout the state considering some regions may be more loaded with "A" type enrollments than "AA" type enrollments, making this idea invalid, then I could see where my thoughts here could be all for naught.

 

I do believe that if the state of Kentucky ever went to 3 classes for 3 official state titles, then much of the magic that has existed for years would be lost, and that would be sad.

 

That's just my 2 cents, and I'm open to be shown where this thought is completely ridiculous, as it's merely off the top of my head without researching the enrollments of each team throughout the state that already exist in the All 'A'.

 

Well, with NCC there's the whole, 3 starters happening to "move in and enroll" in a two year period. Let's don't open that can of worms back up, because I've heard tons of explanations as to why those kids are different and have an exceptional situation, despite the fact that they moved from one of the most expensive private schools in the State to go there.

 

Cordia?

 

Hazard with 3 foreign exchange players rumored to be on the way and Chris Hudson, a kid from Texas who originally enrolled in Cordia playing there?

 

Just takes away from the spirit of it, especially when NCC won it last year and is a top 5-10 type team in the state this year and the others mentioned with them only have 1-2 local kids.

 

I'm all for schools getting kids from wherever (check my previous posts if you don't believe me), but I think the All-A is for two types of teams:

 

1. Small schools in rural, far less populated places compared to the top teams in their regions.

 

2. Expensive private schools in urban areas, who, whether or not it's "PC" for me to say, I'll just go ahead and say it, are not competitive compared to other top teams in their regions for a variety of reasons, one of which is socioeconomics.

 

Give them lacrosse sticks, golf clubs, tennis rackets, or a diving board and it's a different game, but they aren't good at basketball or football unless they get kids from the area that probably wouldn't go there otherwise. Not saying every kid that's ever played for them and was good at basketball or football isn't a kid who couldn't have went there without that, just saying that, more times than not, it might have something to do with it. Sorry if that's offensive.

 

At the end of the day, it's something for the kids at schools who won't have a snowball's chance of competing for a state tournament bid (unless they are in a really weak region and the traditional powers in that region happen to be down) or advancing far in it if they somehow got there. It's a chance for their kids to play on a college floor and in a big atmosphere, for their cheerleaders to get a chance to cheer on the sidelines and their band to get a chance to play in the stands. In the case of a smaller school in an isolated area, maybe even for some of them to get noticed.

 

 

It's not a tournament that I'd beat my chest for winning if I were a top 10-20 team in the State. Good. You are a top 10-20 team in the State and you've just proven you can pound some small schools that the tournament was set up for and who can't realistically compete with you. Here's your prize. Maybe it'd be different if Villa Madonna's 3 best players from last year weren't tearing it up in the 9th. Those kinds of schools, you know, the ones who lose their talent to the bigger fish year in and year out, are the ones that the tournament was setup for.

 

If you are a team like NCC whose supposed to be in contention for the State and you could be playing Covington Holmes in the regional finals where a trip to CONTEND in Rupp is on the line, I think you are doing yourself a disservice by playing down and stomping on Ludlow, Newport, etc. on the way before maybe getting one or two quality wins over a Lexington Christian (maybe the third, fourth, or even fifth best team in their DISTRICT) and a Hazard or Cordia en route to a title.

 

Of course, the alternative to that, however, is that you lose on the way there and end up giving those who are skeptical about how good you really are tons of ammo to hurl at you when you stumble and lose in a tournament you should have rolled through.

 

If I'm Bolden or Hatton and I see my competition lose in the "All A", I'm licking my chops to show them what I can do when it comes time to play with the "big kids".

Edited January 13, 201412 yr by JokersWild24

Well, with NCC there's the whole, 3 starters happening to "move in and enroll" in a two year period. Let's don't open that can of worms back up, because I've heard tons of explanations as to why those kids are different and have an exceptional situation, despite the fact that they moved from one of the most expensive private schools in the State to go there.

Cordia?

 

Hazard with 3 foreign exchange players rumored to be on the way and Chris Hudson, a kid from Texas who originally enrolled in Cordia playing there?

 

Just takes away from the spirit of it, especially when NCC won it last year and is a top 5-10 type team in the state this year and the others mentioned with them only have 1-2 local kids.

 

I'm all for schools getting kids from wherever (check my previous posts if you don't believe me), but I think the All-A is for two types of teams:

 

1. Small schools in rural, far less populated places compared to the top teams in their regions.

 

2. Expensive private schools in urban areas, who, whether or not it's "PC" for me to say, I'll just go ahead and say it, are not competitive compared to other top teams in their regions for a variety of reasons, one of which is socioeconomics.

 

Give them lacrosse sticks, golf clubs, tennis rackets, or a diving board and it's a different game, but they aren't good at basketball or football unless they get kids from the area that probably wouldn't go there otherwise. Not saying every kid that's ever played for them and was good at basketball or football isn't a kid who couldn't have went there without that, just saying that, more times than not, it might have something to do with it. Sorry if that's offensive.

 

At the end of the day, it's something for the kids at schools who won't have a snowball's chance of competing for a state tournament bid (unless they are in a really weak region and the traditional powers in that region happen to be down) or advancing far in it if they somehow got there. It's a chance for their kids to play on a college floor and in a big atmosphere, maybe even for some of them to get noticed.

 

It's not a tournament that I'd beat my chest for winning if I were a top 10-20 team in the State. Good. You are a top 10-20 team in the State and you've just proven you can pound some small schools that the tournament was set up for and can't compete with you. Here's your prize.

 

1. I'm confused here because it is my understanding that the Moeves brothers from NCC came from Walton which is not a private school. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.

 

2. I agree that the whole transfer thing makes things muddy and there needs to be tighter restrictions in place to keep it from happening. It seems to be out of control presently.

 

3. All the more reason to have "A" and "AA" like I had suggested to keep some bigger 'A' teams from pouncing on smaller 'A' teams.

Getting away from the All A debate and back to the thread, how many schools (or districts) are closed in Kentucky? The only one I know of in N. Ky. is Boone County. I believe every other school district in N. Ky. is open enrollment (except space limitations in a particular class) and will accept students from any other district. Does anyone know the closed districts in KY?

1. I'm confused here because it is my understanding that the Moeves brothers from NCC came from Walton which is not a private school. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.

 

2. I agree that the whole transfer thing makes things muddy and there needs to be tighter restrictions in place to keep it from happening. It seems to be out of control presently.

 

3. All the more reason to have "A" and "AA" like I had suggested to keep some bigger 'A' teams from pouncing on smaller 'A' teams.

 

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1. Sorry, if I'm wrong on the Villa/Walton Verona, it's because it's been so long that I got them confused. If WV is some small, dirt poor school though, the same still applies-- big school whose a traditional power ends up with the kids who are better athletes at the end of the day.

 

2. I don't even care about kids transferring to schools and playing against a team like Ballard, Scott County, Trinity, Henry Clay, etc. just that I think it's kind of pointless to do so and kind of disrespect what the All A is all about and "beat your chest" when you win it. Good job to those schools that do-- you should have.

Getting away from the All A debate and back to the thread, how many schools (or districts) are closed in Kentucky? The only one I know of in N. Ky. is Boone County. I believe every other school district in N. Ky. is open enrollment (except space limitations in a particular class) and will accept students from any other district. Does anyone know the closed districts in KY?

 

What do you mean by 'closed districts'? I'd imagine that the vast majority of publics in Kentucky would be defined as such.

What do you mean by 'closed districts'? I'd imagine that the vast majority of publics in Kentucky would be defined as such.

 

I mean a district that will not allow an out of district student to attend school in their district. I am pretty sure Boone County is the only closed district in N. Ky., with every other public school district allowing out of district students to attend. Those out of district students usually pay tuition and sometimes have to meet certain requirements to be admitted.

 

Further, someone please correct me if wrong, but I don't believe there is any KHSAA or Ky. Dept. of Education rule that says an out of district student cannot attend school in another district. These are local district rules. By the state rules a freshman student is free to choose any high school in the state and play sports at that school. Only local district rules prevent a school from accepting out of district students.

I mean a district that will not allow an out of district student to attend school in their district. I am pretty sure Boone County is the only closed district in N. Ky., with every other public school district allowing out of district students to attend. Those out of district students usually pay tuition and sometimes have to meet certain requirements to be admitted.

 

Further, someone please correct me if wrong, but I don't believe there is any KHSAA or Ky. Dept. of Education rule that says an out of district student cannot attend school in another district. These are local district rules. By the state rules a freshman student is free to choose any high school in the state and play sports at that school. Only local district rules prevent a school from accepting out of district students.

 

Admittedly, I grew up in a rural area (only one public that the whole county went to, otherwise, you paid tuition and there were no 'independent' or "city" schools), so I'm not sure.

 

I always thought that Louisville was one of the few places with "open" enrollment, and with other places, it was more a deal of whether you could do one (or some combination) of the following: a.) pay tuition or taxes, or b.) provide your own transportation, provided that the school didn't want to push the issue (which most wouldn't do if you either had money, were a good student, and/or were a good athlete... i.e., the school wanted you there just as much as you wanted to be there). Probably some other things mixed in there too, but those are basically the gist.

 

From my experience living there and having conversations on the issue with classmates at UK who grew up in Lexington, I was given the impression that Lexington is actually fairly strict on letting kids who are outside of district boundaries just go and enroll in another school because they want to be there. Now, if a whole neighborhood pushed for one school to "stretch" their boundaries some, that'd be different that one kid on the block trying to go there.

 

I think that, lately, given their frequent changes in zoning, that's why you see growth in schools like Lexington Catholic and Lexington Christian Academy (Lex Cath has risen in student population quite a bit over the past couple of decades and LCA's growth probably hasn't peaked yet).

I believe the agreement is, if they play in the All A then they may drop the regular season match up from the schedule. At least that is the way it goes in soccer.

 

I have "heard" that St Henry and NCC have a reciprocal agreement. They are usually scheduled to play in mid-Feb. Last year they did not play because NCC had played too many games.

Don't most schools have some form of reciprocal agreement with neighboring schools in the cases of multiple schools in the same county?

 

I wonder sometimes if there are some who would advocate for a "Single Rural County School Only Classic State Championship."

I believe the agreement is, if they play in the All A then they may drop the regular season match up from the schedule. At least that is the way it goes in soccer.

 

Gotcha. That makes sense.

 

At the same time, however, there isn't really a guarantee that they'll play in the All A either. Could still make for a sticky situation.

 

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