Talk about everybody getting a trophy, look at football. Beat 31 other teams in your class and you are state champ. The ALL A includes about 40% of the teams in the state. And who said there is a limited number of tournaments you can play ina year. NCC went and played the best in the state in Louisville and Lexington, does that disqualify them from playing in a tourney with teams determined to be their size also? If you want a tourney for the really small schools try liminiting it to the 50 smallest and see how long that lasts financially. The real answer is for the KHSAA to get in line with the other 49 states in the country and classify basketball. Nobody ddares touch that one, however. The reason the ALL A came into existence in the first place is because the organizers of the ALL A were rebuffed when they challanged the KHSAA to classify. If we are going to point fingers then the KHSAA could solve ALL these questions by doing what everyone else in the country does. And don't tell me logistics is a problem. If they can't figure out a way to do it, just have them contact Stan Steidel and his crew and they would have it set up in about a month.

 

The day Kentucky does away with the current Sweet Sixteen, is the day that the cash cow of the KHSAA goes away and before you claim the KHSAA is all about money, remember all of those non cash cows that cost money to have State Tourneys for! The current Sweet Sixteen is the event that allows those non cash cows to have a State Tourney!

 

Funny the people in Fla had a hard time understanding the crowds that our Sweet Sixteen brings into Rupp each year, as in their words, only the parents and maybe some of the students attend Fla. State Basketball Tourney and even with eight divisions, they don't come anywhere close to the number of butts in the seats as Kentucky has at Rupp each year!

TAC, who said anything about exclusion? Would just like to see schools put in "categories" where the playing field is leveled. Two categories; one with open enrollment, one with closed. Pretty simple. Everyone knows open has a distinct advantage over closed. Said advantages should not exist. Separate them.

 

forget it!

Edited January 12, 201412 yr by tdyballgame
because it just isnt worth the time and effort

I was just using the two tournaments as a hypothetical. However, it is a precarious situation to try and play in too many tournaments. IIRC, for scheduling purposes, tournaments, no matter how many games your team plays, only counts as two games toward the limit on the amount of games you can schedule, however, you only get to count 2 tournaments this way. That becomes a problem if you want to play in 4-5 tournaments where you can't predict how far you'll advance in them.

Not the case at all. You get 30 games in the regular season, period. The rule was changed several years ago.

Understand, I think it's great tourney to play in (and have attended the tourney many a time when it was played at EKU, ask Mustang) but until NCC gets to the All "A" they don't get much out of playing a lot of the teams in the tourney, ie Ludlow, Dayton, etc and then even in the 1st round of the tourney, unless they get a poor seed, there is not much competition from some regions. Not knocking NCC at all....

Point well taken, but with the other tourneys they have been in they have had plenty of compition.

The day Kentucky does away with the current Sweet Sixteen, is the day that the cash cow of the KHSAA goes away and before you claim the KHSAA is all about money, remember all of those non cash cows that cost money to have State Tourneys for! The current Sweet Sixteen is the event that allows those non cash cows to have a State Tourney!

 

Funny the people in Fla had a hard time understanding the crowds that our Sweet Sixteen brings into Rupp each year, as in their words, only the parents and maybe some of the students attend Fla. State Basketball Tourney and even with eight divisions, they don't come anywhere close to the number of butts in the seats as Kentucky has at Rupp each year!

I am not at all convinced they could not have 4 classes, have the first 2 rounds of each tourney played at host schools, and bring the final4 in each class to Rupp. You would have better games in all the matchups and still have 16 teams there. I think this is just a threat the KHSAA uses to not go to classes. You would have teams of all sizes playing for titles and it would be just as exciting, if not more, as the current set up. IMO they just don't want to go to the trouble top set it up. It CAN be done.

I am not at all convinced they could not have 4 classes, have the first 2 rounds of each tourney played at host schools, and bring the final4 in each class to Rupp. You would have better games in all the matchups and still have 16 teams there. I think this is just a threat the KHSAA uses to not go to classes. You would have teams of all sizes playing for titles and it would be just as exciting, if not more, as the current set up. IMO they just don't want to go to the trouble top set it up. It CAN be done.

 

So you want your cake and eat it too:idunno:......You want not to have to play the big boys to get to the tourney, then when you get to the state tourney, you want your chance to play the big boys......:ohbrother:

 

If they go to divisions, which I don't think will happen but if they did, it will be a champion for each division and that is it and then lets hear the different state champions claim they are the best! :lol::lol::lol:

Not the case at all. You get 30 games in the regular season, period. The rule was changed several years ago.

 

Wasn't aware of that, so thanks for the update.

 

In a way though, I think the a hard cap on 30 games means that playing in more tournaments, especially in ones where there's potential to play a lot of games, even riskier than it would have been under the past rules.

 

There are a lot of games in the All A, and I'm sure that when NCC sees the draw, they can chalk up a few as a "W". But with the All-A state is drawn for and you don't have any way of knowing who'll be there, it's kind of tough to count those games and feel safe from getting burned/leaving scorched earth behind you after you've had to cancel some games late in the year.

 

Even tougher is doing that when you play in a tournament like the RBC where there are lots of teams on your level and you could get beaten (and go into the loser's bracket, which likely means playing more games).

 

I don't think it's inherently unfair that NCC is in the All-A or anything, nor do I think they should be singled out for exclusion. I just said what I did because, looking at it as an outsider and putting myself in the staff's shoes, I think I'd be thinking: "we won this last year, so what is it really going to prove if we do that this year?"

 

I'd also think, "we're doing the All A tournament, Holmes is playing quality teams that are likely better than over 90% of the All-A's field in a well known tournament in New York".

You just don't get it do you? The Boone County Board of Education chooses to make your district closed. The Commonwealth doesn't require it' date=' the KHSAA doesn't require it, your own Boone County Board of Education is the one to blame not Kenton County, Beechwood, HHS or even CovCath. Vote the current member out and vote in those who would be more inclined to vote for open enrollment. Again the only people to blame are those who vote for the current Boone County Board of Edcation.[/quote']

 

Trust me, I get. "It".

So you want your cake and eat it too:idunno:......You want not to have to play the big boys to get to the tourney, then when you get to the state tourney, you want your chance to play the big boys......:ohbrother:

 

If they go to divisions, which I don't think will happen but if they did, it will be a champion for each division and that is it and then lets hear the different state champions claim they are the best! :lol::lol::lol:

Who is the best football team, soccer team, CC team, track team, and all the other sports that are classified now? Is that a real problem? There is NO difference. However, if you really insist on an overall state champion here's what you do. After the 4 state champions are crowned, they become the semi-finalists for the OVERALL state champion. Play it off. You know it can be done as 49 other states support their "non-revenue" state championships, so don't try to tell they can do it but Kentucky can't.

Who is the best football team, soccer team, CC team, track team, and all the other sports that are classified now? Is that a real problem? There is NO difference. However, if you really insist on an overall state champion here's what you do. After the 4 state champions are crowned, they become the semi-finalists for the OVERALL state champion. Play it off. You know it can be done as 49 other states support their "non-revenue" state championships, so don't try to tell they can do it but Kentucky can't.

Indiana did something like that and it was horrible...nothing wrong with current basketball format.

Wasn't aware of that, so thanks for the update.

 

In a way though, I think the a hard cap on 30 games means that playing in more tournaments, especially in ones where there's potential to play a lot of games, even riskier than it would have been under the past rules.

 

There are a lot of games in the All A, and I'm sure that when NCC sees the draw, they can chalk up a few as a "W". But with the All-A state is drawn for and you don't have any way of knowing who'll be there, it's kind of tough to count those games and feel safe from getting burned/leaving scorched earth behind you after you've had to cancel some games late in the year.

 

Even tougher is doing that when you play in a tournament like the RBC where there are lots of teams on your level and you could get beaten (and go into the loser's bracket, which likely means playing more games).

 

I don't think it's inherently unfair that NCC is in the All-A or anything, nor do I think they should be singled out for exclusion. I just said what I did because, looking at it as an outsider and putting myself in the staff's shoes, I think I'd be thinking: "we won this last year, so what is it really going to prove if we do that this year?"

 

I'd also think, "we're doing the All A tournament, Holmes is playing quality teams that are likely better than over 90% of the All-A's field in a well known tournament in New York".

NCC probably has a reciprocal agreement with several teams that they will each allow them out of a game if they have too. If you figure you will advance and don't you just wind up playing fewer than 30 games. It's a chance you take, but looking at their schedule this year it appears they did their homework because the most they would have to do is drop one game, and that is assuming the CovCath game is finished and the Newport game is made up. If they play Newport in the ALL A that game could be counted as the seeding game and the conference game. Just takes a little planning.

Indiana did something like that and it was horrible...nothing wrong with current basketball format.

I'll bet the "other" state champions in Indiana other than the hugh schools don't think it is a horrible idea. If it is that bad in Indiana, why don't they vote to go back to the way it was. By the way, since you are a Somerset fan, don't you think your football players get a little more excited with the idea they really have a chance to win a state title by beating someone their size rather than Trinity, etc?

NCC probably has a reciprocal agreement with several teams that they will each allow them out of a game if they have too. If you figure you will advance and don't you just wind up playing fewer than 30 games. It's a chance you take, but looking at their schedule this year it appears they did their homework because the most they would have to do is drop one game, and that is assuming the CovCath game is finished and the Newport game is made up. If they play Newport in the ALL A that game could be counted as the seeding game and the conference game. Just takes a little planning.

 

 

Understand. There have also been some schools that have gotten in some hot water for advancing too far in tourneys and playing too many games, or advancing further than they thought and later having to drop them and break contracts.

 

Also, how far are you banking on NCC advancing in your calculation above? I think they have a really solid draw, and that we could see them in the finals against a Hazard or Cordia.

 

Just out of curiosity, what kind of reciprocal agreement is in place? Maybe it's being too caught up in the terms, but I'm not really sure what jumps out as advantageous to another school who'd just willingly let the other party break the contract. I'm not saying there isn't some advantage, just that I'm not really sure what it is.

Understand. There have also been some schools that have gotten in some hot water for advancing too far in tourneys and playing too many games, or advancing further than they thought and later having to drop them and break contracts.

 

Also, how far are you banking on NCC advancing in your calculation above? I think they have a really solid draw, and that we could see them in the finals against a Hazard or Cordia.

 

Just out of curiosity, what kind of reciprocal agreement is in place? Maybe it's being too caught up in the terms, but I'm not really sure what jumps out as advantageous to another school who'd just willingly let the other party break the contract. I'm not saying there isn't some advantage, just that I'm not really sure what it is.

 

I have "heard" that St Henry and NCC have a reciprocal agreement. They are usually scheduled to play in mid-Feb. Last year they did not play because NCC had played too many games.

I'll bet the "other" state champions in Indiana other than the hugh schools don't think it is a horrible idea. If it is that bad in Indiana, why don't they vote to go back to the way it was. By the way, since you are a Somerset fan, don't you think your football players get a little more excited with the idea they really have a chance to win a state title by beating someone their size rather than Trinity, etc?

Football and Basketball are two complete different animals when it comes to competing against larger schools. Basketball can be successful with 4or5 really good kids and one good coach, football needs many more really good athletes and several good coaches.