Tell you what, NCC should play in the All-A again and take out the Ludlows of the region. Holmes can go to a tournament in New York and enhance their chances of winning region-- again.

 

And to the final, thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

 

Maybe NCC didn't have the "public taxpayer money" to go to NYC??

Maybe NCC didn't have the "public taxpayer money" to go to NYC??

 

Somebody asked that question earlier where the funding came from to send Holmes to NY and I never saw an answer?

Talk about a thread that ran astray ... this one is the poster child.

Classify basketball, watch the crowds dwindle, then see if renting Rupp is as viable of an option.

 

My cousin who lives in Brookville, Indiana, told me when they went to classes for their state basketball tournaments that it destroyed them. He said the crowds are slim and the excitement is slimmer at all their class tournaments as opposed to the huge crowds at the tournament when it was a single class tournament. He also mentioned that he wishes they had come up with something similar to our All A tournament for their state because he believes it would have spared them the decision to go to separate classes.

Somebody asked that question earlier where the funding came from to send Holmes to NY and I never saw an answer?

 

I believe many of these bigger tournaments and showcases pay schools to be apart of their tournaments. This helps cover costs for the teams. This is how many teams get to go to these tournaments. I also imagine fundrasining would be apart of this as well. Just like at the college level, teams get paid to travel to other schools to play.

Somebody asked that question earlier where the funding came from to send Holmes to NY and I never saw an answer?

I found an explainer on the NY tourney website. As I recall, and don't quote this as gospel, Holmes got X number of hotel rooms at no cost, free meals at the hotel buffet and a grand or so to cover travel expenses. Wasn't a whole lot, but it probably covered most of the cost. When Holmes played CovCath recently, the gym was packed. I figured the take for just that one game to be in the area of $12,000.

I believe many of these bigger tournaments and showcases pay schools to be apart of their tournaments. This helps cover costs for the teams. This is how many teams get to go to these tournaments. I also imagine fundrasining would be apart of this as well. Just like at the college level, teams get paid to travel to other schools to play.

 

This. Most of the time, an area hotel hosts the teams at a deeply discounted rate. Also, the host school will usually provide meals after the game at little or no cost. Lots of incentives are set up for teams who want to play in these events.

 

I think that the Republic Bank Classic even had a hotel that was advertised as the "official tournament hotel" in the tournament program or on some type of advertising there.

 

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My cousin who lives in Brookville, Indiana, told me when they went to classes for their state basketball tournaments that it destroyed them. He said the crowds are slim and the excitement is slimmer at all their class tournaments as opposed to the huge crowds at the tournament when it was a single class tournament. He also mentioned that he wishes they had come up with something similar to our All A tournament for their state because he believes it would have spared them the decision to go to separate classes.

 

 

This is exactly what I think would happen to Kentucky High School Basketball, probably within 10 or so years, if the tournaments were classified. First, a few teams would dominated each class and the attendance would end up being more similar to football than basketball.

 

 

 

IF it went to classes, here's a guess at the schools who'd dominate each class (in their area/at state... assuming that each class would play it's state-qualifiers according to regional location):

 

 

A:

University Heights (WKY)

Hazard*, Paintsville (EKY)

 

AA:

Bardstown (WKY)

Newport Central Catholic, (NKY)

DeSales**, (L'ville)

Somerset, Shelby Valley (EKY)

 

AAA:

Mason County, (NKY)

Paducah Tilghman, Elizabethtown (WKY)

Corbin (EKY)

 

AAAA:

Covington Catholic, Holmes (NKY)

Owensboro, Collins, Doss (WKY)

Boyle County (CKY)

Clay County, Ashland Blazer, Johnson Central (EKY)

 

AAAAA:

Apollo, Graves County, Warren Central, Hopkinsville, Christian County (WKY)

Shelby County, Montgomery County (CKY)

Perry County Central (EKY)

 

AAAAAA:

Graves County, Henderson County (WKY)

Ballard, Male, Trinity (L'ville)

Scott County, Henry Clay (Lex)

 

 

*I would think more kids from PCC would eventually go to Hazard to compete for State.

 

**Good teams through the years, would really be helped by classes (maybe more than anyone)

 

 

I think that when implementing classes, logistically, one of two things would happen:

1. The "districts/regionals" that teams would play to qualify for state would, like football, be grouped according to school's geographic locations. This would mean that, in most years, a school like Mason County would roll through their area and make it to the state's "Final Four" basically every year. Fans start taking this for granted and attendance suffers.

 

2. The aforementioned "districts/regionals" that qualify teams for state become a logistical nightmare, especially in regards to trying to play a tournament (only a day or two between games), as schools like Corbin in far EKY could end up playing Paducah Tilghman (in far WKY). Even a neutral location in the middle for each of these schools is a heck of a drive for each of them. What do you do about the kids missing school, etc.? Or do you have it over a weekend at a college campus, say WKU? How many fans can afford to get a hotel for a weekend tournament, then do the same the very next week when state moves to Lexington?

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Just as "classifying" basketball into schools based on enrollment, I think the same thing would happen if there were essentially 2 state tournaments, one for publics and one for privates. The tournaments start getting watered down, as there is less parity between the teams, and, eventually the excitement and attendance would suffer.

Enrollment-wise, Bardstown is nowhere near FB Class A size. I think they're bigger than NewCath.

Enrollment-wise, Bardstown is nowhere near FB Class A size. I think they're bigger than NewCath.

 

Thanks. I'll fix that. I did some of the All A schools first and then realized that all probably weren't Class A football schools. I re-did most, but forgot them.

This is exactly what I think would happen to Kentucky High School Basketball, probably within 10 or so years, if the tournaments were classified. First, a few teams would dominated each class and the attendance would end up being more similar to football than basketball.

 

 

 

IF it went to classes, here's a guess at the schools who'd dominate each class (in their area/at state... assuming that each class would play it's state-qualifiers according to regional location):

 

 

A:

University Heights (WKY)

Hazard*, Paintsville (EKY)

 

AA:

Bardstown (WKY)

Newport Central Catholic, (NKY)

DeSales**, (L'ville)

Somerset, Shelby Valley (EKY)

 

AAA:

Mason County, (NKY)

Paducah Tilghman, Elizabethtown (WKY)

Corbin (EKY)

 

AAAA:

Covington Catholic, Holmes (NKY)

Owensboro, Collins, Doss (WKY)

Boyle County (CKY)

Clay County, Ashland Blazer, Johnson Central (EKY)

 

AAAAA:

Apollo, Graves County, Warren Central, Hopkinsville, Christian County (WKY)

Shelby County, Montgomery County (CKY)

Perry County Central (EKY)

 

AAAAAA:

Graves County, Henderson County (WKY)

Ballard, Male, Trinity (L'ville)

Scott County, Henry Clay (Lex)

 

 

*I would think more kids from PCC would eventually go to Hazard to compete for State.

 

**Good teams through the years, would really be helped by classes (maybe more than anyone)

 

 

I think that when implementing classes, logistically, one of two things would happen:

1. The "districts/regionals" that teams would play to qualify for state would, like football, be grouped according to school's geographic locations. This would mean that, in most years, a school like Mason County would roll through their area and make it to the state's "Final Four" basically every year. Fans start taking this for granted and attendance suffers.

 

2. The aforementioned "districts/regionals" that qualify teams for state become a logistical nightmare, especially in regards to trying to play a tournament (only a day or two between games), as schools like Corbin in far EKY could end up playing Paducah Tilghman (in far WKY). Even a neutral location in the middle for each of these schools is a heck of a drive for each of them. What do you do about the kids missing school, etc.? Or do you have it over a weekend at a college campus, say WKU? How many fans can afford to get a hotel for a weekend tournament, then do the same the very next week when state moves to Lexington?

 

Where's Highlands???.....oh wait, this is basketball, carry on. :lol: (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

Where's Highlands???.....oh wait, this is basketball, carry on. :lol: (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

 

In all seriousness, I considered including Highlands. I think that if basketball were classified, they'd end up being a really good program in short order.

 

Honestly, with their new hire, I think they'll eventually be good again anyway, and the NKY's 4A programs, with a core of Covington Catholic and Holmes already, would be one of the stronger ones in the State, all things considered.

 

Things wouldn't be interesting for you though, Lawnboy, because I think your Breds would roll through the area's 2A in most years. That was one of the classes that probably had the least depth in top teams, and each of the top teams are in a different geographic area, so they'd likely each get to the "Final Four" part of the tournament and sort things out from there.

My cousin who lives in Brookville, Indiana, told me when they went to classes for their state basketball tournaments that it destroyed them. He said the crowds are slim and the excitement is slimmer at all their class tournaments as opposed to the huge crowds at the tournament when it was a single class tournament. He also mentioned that he wishes they had come up with something similar to our All A tournament for their state because he believes it would have spared them the decision to go to separate classes.

 

If the "old way" is so much better what is stopping Indiana from switching back to the way it was?

If the "old way" is so much better what is stopping Indiana from switching back to the way it was?

 

I'd imagine that it's analogous to why lots of districts "draw" instead of seeding. There are more small schools with no chance of winning state unless it's classified (not that they really have a shot at that either, but it's a better shot at least). The big schools probably don't care, and some of the schools in divisions that are equivalent to A, AA, and AAA football teams in Kentucky don't want it to go back because they know they'd have a much harder time winning state.

 

Once you go, it seems like it'd be difficult to "un-ring the bell".