Stumbled across this thread and was very intriged. Has anyones views changed on the matter?

 

I say the sooner we get to classes in basketball the better.

 

Should private schools have their own class? Absolutely!!

 

Why?? There have only been 3 private schools to win the Sweet 16 since 1980. The one and only one champion in basketball makes winning Sweet 16 the great feat that it is.

Why?? There have only been 3 private schools to win the Sweet 16 since 1980. The one and only one champion in basketball makes winning Sweet 16 the great feat that it is.

 

Only 3 that have won but my question to you is how mant region winners have been private schools in those 20 years? On average how many Private schools make it to state?

 

This may be a better argument for girls bball or other sports in general, but my argument comes from being from a small rual school that hasnt been to a state tournament in 50+ years. We have had some good teams along the way but just cant compete with the bigger schools yr in and yr out.

 

To the bolded: Its an awesome feat no doubt and a great accomplishment, but more times than not its won by bigger schools and those schools with more $$$ for whatever reason. Just one mans opnion on the subject. Private schools especially the high profile ones tend to have more revenue to put into their programs and that tends to put forth a better product.

 

Not knocking them for $$$ or product im just saying group all those shools together and let them duke it out.

2 private schools made S16 last year.

2 made it the year before.

0 made it the year before that.

 

This isn't a boys basketball issue.

Only 3 that have won but my question to you is how many region winners have been private schools in those 20 years? On average how many Private schools make it to state?

 

This may be a better argument for girls bball or other sports in general, but my argument comes from being from a small rual school that hasnt been to a state tournament in 50+ years. We have had some good teams along the way but just cant compete with the bigger schools yr in and yr out.

 

To the bolded: Its an awesome feat no doubt and a great accomplishment, but more times than not its won by bigger schools and those schools with more $$$ for whatever reason. Just one mans opnion on the subject. Private schools especially the high profile ones tend to have more revenue to put into their programs and that tends to put forth a better product.

 

Not knocking them for $$$ or product I'm just saying group all those schools together and let them duke it out.

 

You need to revise your argument. Basketball regions across the state are overwhelmingly dominated by public schools. Using the football divisions as determined for the 2015-2018 realignment, lets look at the last five years of regional boys basketball champs...there have been a grand total of THREE private school programs that have won regional championships in the last 5 years, for a total of 6 regional titles (out of a possible 80 regional titles in that time). On the other hand, if you look at the number of 1A, 2A and 3A programs that have won regional titles in the last 5 years, you might be able to try making an argument for having a "small school championship" and a "large school championship". If you're trying to kick out private schools in hopes of getting your small school into the Sweet 16, though, your frustration is misplaced and you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

Region 1:

2015 - Calloway County (4A)

2014 - McCracken County (6A)

2013 - Graves County (5A)

2012 - Marshall County (5A)

2011 - Marshall County (5A)

 

Region 2:

2015 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2014 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2013 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2012 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2011 - Christian County (5A)

 

Region 3:

2015 - Owensboro (5A)

2014 - Owensboro (5A)

2013 - Ohio County (6A)

2012 - Apollo (5A)

2011 - Daviess County (6A)

 

Region 4:

2015 - Bowling Green (5A)

2014 - Bowling Green (5A)

2013 - Warren Central (4A)

2012 - Bowling Green (5A)

2011 - Warren Central (4A)

 

Region 5:

2015 - Taylor County (4A)

2014 - Bardstown (3A)

2013 - John Hardin (4A)

2012 - John Hardin (4A)

2011 - Bardstown (3A)

 

Region 6:

2015 - Doss (5A)

2014 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2013 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2012 - Bullitt East (5A)

2011 - Bullitt East (5A)

 

Region 7:

2015 - Ballard (6A)

2014 - Trinity (6A)

2013 - Ballard (6A)

2012 - Trinity (6A)

2011 - Eastern (6A)

 

Region 8:

2015 - Collins (4A)

2014 - South Oldham (5A)

2013 - South Oldham (5A)

2012 - Oldham County (5A)

2011 - Oldham County (5A)

 

Region 9:

2015 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2014 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2013 - Holmes (4A)

2012 - Boone County (6A)

2011 - Dixie Heights (5A)

 

Region 10:

2015 - Campbell County (6A)

2014 - Campbell County (6A)

2013 - Montgomery County (5A)

2012 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

2011 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

 

Region 11:

2015 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

2014 - Scott County (6A)

2013 - Madison Central (6A)

2012 - Scott County (6A)

2011 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

 

Region 12:

2015 - Boyle County (3A)

2014 - Wayne County (4A)

2013 - Wayne County (4A)

2012 - Southwestern (5A)

2011 - Wayne County (4A)

 

Region 13:

2015 - Williamsburg (1A)

2014 - Clay County (4A)

2013 - Clay County (4A)

2012 - North Laurel (5A)

2011 - Bell County (3A)

 

Region 14:

2015 - Knott County Central (3A)

2014 - Knott County Central (3A)

2013 - Knott County Central (3A)

2012 - Knott County Central (3A)

2011 - Perry County Central (5A)

 

Region 15:

2015 - Johnson Central (4A)

2014 - Johnson Central (4A)

2013 - Johnson Central (4A)

2012 - Johnson Central (4A)

2011 - Shelby Valley (2A)

 

Region 16:

2015 - Elliott County (No Football)

2014 - Fleming County (3A)

2013 - Fleming County (3A)

2012 - Rowan County (4A)

2011 - Rowan County (4A)

Yes.

 

Don't change anything.

Only 3 that have won but my question to you is how mant region winners have been private schools in those 20 years? On average how many Private schools make it to state?

 

This may be a better argument for girls bball or other sports in general, but my argument comes from being from a small rual school that hasnt been to a state tournament in 50+ years. We have had some good teams along the way but just cant compete with the bigger schools yr in and yr out.

 

To the bolded: Its an awesome feat no doubt and a great accomplishment, but more times than not its won by bigger schools and those schools with more $$$ for whatever reason. Just one mans opnion on the subject. Private schools especially the high profile ones tend to have more revenue to put into their programs and that tends to put forth a better product.

 

Not knocking them for $$$ or product im just saying group all those shools together and let them duke it out.

 

Just for funzies, here are the last 5 years of Girls Basketball Regional Champs. In the last five years there have been 6 private school programs to win regional titles for a total of 9 out of 80 possible regional titles in that time. Again, methinks your frustration is misplaced.

 

Region 1:

2015 - Graves County (5A)

2014 - Marshall County (5A)

2013 - Marshall County (5A)

2012 - Marshall County (5A)

2011 - Calloway County (4A)

 

Region 2:

2015 - Henderson County (6A)

2014 - Henderson County (6A)

2013 - Henderson County (6A)

2012 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2011 - Crittenden County (1A)

 

Region 3:

2015 - Muhlenberg County (6A)

2014 - Meade County (6A)

2013 - Owensboro Catholic (2A)

2012 - Muhlenberg County (6A)

2011 - Owensboro Catholic (2A)

 

Region 4:

2015 - Allen County-Scottsville (4A)

2014 - Glasgow (2A)

2013 - Bowling Green (5A)

2012 - Glasgow (2A)

2011 - Bowling Green (5A)

 

Region 5:

2015 - Elizabethtown (3A)

2014 - Elizabethtown (3A)

2013 - Marion County (4A)

2012 - Marion County (4A)

2011 - Marion County (4A)

 

Region 6:

2015 - Mercy (No Football)

2014 - Butler (6A)

2013 - Mercy (No Football)

2012 - Butler (6A)

2011 - Butler (6A)

 

Region 7:

2015 - Male (6A)

2014 - Sacred Heart (No Football)

2013 - DuPont Manual (6A)

2012 - DuPont Manual (6A)

2011 - DuPont Manual (6A)

 

Region 8:

2015 - Simon Kenton (6A)

2014 - Anderson County (5A)

2013 - Anderson County (5A)

2012 - Walton-Verona (2A)

2011 - Walton-Verona (2A)

 

Region 9:

2015 - Holy Cross (2A)

2014 - Newport Central Catholic (2A)

2013 - Notre Dame (No Football)

2012 - Boone County (6A)

2011 - Newport Central Catholic (2A)

Region 10:

2015 - Mason County (4A)

2014 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

2013 - Montgomery County (5A)

2012 - Montgomery County (5A)

2011 - Montgomery County (5A)

 

Region 11:

2015 - Franklin County (4A)

2014 - Lafayette (6A)

2013 - Madison Central (6A)

2012 - Paul Laurence Dunbar (6A)

2011 - Madison Central (6A)

 

Region 12:

2015 - Mercer County (4A)

2014 - Danville (2A)

2013 - Lincoln County (5A)

2012 - Lincoln County (5A)

2011 - Rockcastle County (4A)

 

Region 13:

2015 - Bell County (3A)

2014 - Corbin (3A)

2013 - Corbin (3A)

2012 - Clay County (4A)

2011 - Clay County (4A)

 

Region 14:

2015 - Letcher County Central (5A)

2014 - Perry County Central (5A)

2013 - Letcher County Central (5A)

2012 - Perry County Central (5A)

2011 - Perry County Central (5A)

Region 15:

2015 - Johnson Central (4A)

2014 - Shelby Valley (2A)

2013 - Shelby Valley (2A)

2012 - Magoffin County (3A)

2011 - Sheldon Clark (3A)

 

Region 16:

2015 - Ashland Paul Blazer (4A)

2014 - Ashland Paul Blazer (4A)

2013 - Ashland Paul Blazer (4A)

2012 - Ashland Paul Blazer (4A)

2011 - Boyd County (4A)

You need to revise your argument. Basketball regions across the state are overwhelmingly dominated by public schools. Using the football divisions as determined for the 2015-2018 realignment, lets look at the last five years of regional boys basketball champs...there have been a grand total of THREE private school programs that have won regional championships in the last 5 years, for a total of 6 regional titles (out of a possible 80 regional titles in that time). On the other hand, if you look at the number of 1A, 2A and 3A programs that have won regional titles in the last 5 years, you might be able to try making an argument for having a "small school championship" and a "large school championship". If you're trying to kick out private schools in hopes of getting your small school into the Sweet 16, though, your frustration is misplaced and you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

Region 1:

2015 - Calloway County (4A)

2014 - McCracken County (6A)

2013 - Graves County (5A)

2012 - Marshall County (5A)

2011 - Marshall County (5A)

 

Region 2:

2015 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2014 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2013 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2012 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2011 - Christian County (5A)

 

Region 3:

2015 - Owensboro (5A)

2014 - Owensboro (5A)

2013 - Ohio County (6A)

2012 - Apollo (5A)

2011 - Daviess County (6A)

 

Region 4:

2015 - Bowling Green (5A)

2014 - Bowling Green (5A)

2013 - Warren Central (4A)

2012 - Bowling Green (5A)

2011 - Warren Central (4A)

 

Region 5:

2015 - Taylor County (4A)

2014 - Bardstown (3A)

2013 - John Hardin (4A)

2012 - John Hardin (4A)

2011 - Bardstown (3A)

 

Region 6:

2015 - Doss (5A)

2014 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2013 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2012 - Bullitt East (5A)

2011 - Bullitt East (5A)

 

Region 7:

2015 - Ballard (6A)

2014 - Trinity (6A)

2013 - Ballard (6A)

2012 - Trinity (6A)

2011 - Eastern (6A)

 

Region 8:

2015 - Collins (4A)

2014 - South Oldham (5A)

2013 - South Oldham (5A)

2012 - Oldham County (5A)

2011 - Oldham County (5A)

 

Region 9:

2015 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2014 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2013 - Holmes (4A)

2012 - Boone County (6A)

2011 - Dixie Heights (5A)

 

Region 10:

2015 - Campbell County (6A)

2014 - Campbell County (6A)

2013 - Montgomery County (5A)

2012 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

2011 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

 

Region 11:

2015 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

2014 - Scott County (6A)

2013 - Madison Central (6A)

2012 - Scott County (6A)

2011 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

 

Region 12:

2015 - Boyle County (3A)

2014 - Wayne County (4A)

2013 - Wayne County (4A)

2012 - Southwestern (5A)

2011 - Wayne County (4A)

 

Region 13:

2015 - Williamsburg (1A)

2014 - Clay County (4A)

2013 - Clay County (4A)

2012 - North Laurel (5A)

2011 - Bell County (3A)

 

Region 14:

2015 - Knott County Central (3A)

2014 - Knott County Central (3A)

2013 - Knott County Central (3A)

2012 - Knott County Central (3A)

2011 - Perry County Central (5A)

 

Region 15:

2015 - Johnson Central (4A)

2014 - Johnson Central (4A)

2013 - Johnson Central (4A)

2012 - Johnson Central (4A)

2011 - Shelby Valley (2A)

 

Region 16:

2015 - Elliott County (No Football)

2014 - Fleming County (3A)

2013 - Fleming County (3A)

2012 - Rowan County (4A)

2011 - Rowan County (4A)

 

Great post! And to answer your question no I'm not trying to get my school in. I would rather see 4-6 classes. It's the best system. Not saying my school would win even if it were classes but overall we would see more competitive games across the state. Small schools mid sized and big schools alike. From a competition standpoint. They way some of these districts are aligned it almost eliminates the small schools before the season starts. Take for example the 39th district one 3a school with 3 1a schools.

 

Now ppl can say there's the all A for small schools. Well that's a sham too. That tournament is definitely watered down with small private schools. Not the way it was intended when it was created.

 

So maybe I should have stated I'm in favor for classes and do away with the all a. Because that's the only way small schools get a chance EVERY yr and the all a can be done away with its become a joke anyway.

Look at district #35 , Cov Cath and Holmes have been 1 or 2 every year with the other teams being Holy Cross, Latin School and Beechwood. We can skip the district tournament and just put those 2 in the regional every year. These 2 teams have play for the ninth region tournament at lest the 3 years.

Great post! And to answer your question no I'm not trying to get my school in. I would rather see 4-6 classes. It's the best system. Not saying my school would win even if it were classes but overall we would see more competitive games across the state. Small schools mid sized and big schools alike. From a competition standpoint. They way some of these districts are aligned it almost eliminates the small schools before the season starts. Take for example the 39th district one 3a school with 3 1a schools.

 

Now ppl can say there's the all A for small schools. Well that's a sham too. That tournament is definitely watered down with small private schools. Not the way it was intended when it was created.

 

So maybe I should have stated I'm in favor for classes and do away with the all a. Because that's the only way small schools get a chance EVERY yr and the all a can be done away with its become a joke anyway.

 

So you mean "the way it was intended when it was created" when two of the founding schools were small private schools?

So you mean "the way it was intended when it was created" when two of the founding schools were small private schools?

 

The purpose of the all a was to give opportunity for the small schools that can't compete with the larger schools. It's not that way anymore. It's more noticeable on the girls side but nonetheless. It's for the little guy enrollment wise by realistically it for the little private school that can gain players because they are private. And make the tournament one sided. And if you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

Can public school tuition students get tuition assistance and do work study like private schools? Also I see Boone Co doesn't take tuition kids any other districts with the same policy?

The purpose of the all a was to give opportunity for the small schools that can't compete with the larger schools. It's not that way anymore. It's more noticeable on the girls side but nonetheless. It's for the little guy enrollment wise by realistically it for the little private school that can gain players because they are private. And make the tournament one sided. And if you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

 

How can little private schools gain players because they are private? What would entice someone to pay $6500 to send a girl to say NCC (which has had success in the last 5 years) or last years champ Holy Cross instead of attending say Highlands or Campbell Co or Beechwood or Holmes for no cost?

Are we really gonna do this my friend? You know as well as I do parents with money are going to send their kids to a private institution for a better education. Well money hangs with money so if little Johnny or Jane is a good ball player and their friends are good players and their parents can afford it they will go to the same school as Johnny or Jane. And so on and so forth. Tends to lean to the better talent going to private schools. So hence the private schools get an abundance of talent therefore make them front runners in athletics. So the public schools are behind. Now there are very talented kids playing in public schools. I'm not saying that. They are most likely in the situation as to their families can't afford the high cost to attend a private school. Not the kids or the family fault it's just life.

 

It also may depend on your sport of choice. Beechwood highlands are football schools. If we are talking bball then what about their bball programs would be attractive to a stud baller? Campbell co is just a big 6a school that are in the hunt for a region championship but not really a contender for a state title. I could go on and on.

 

Let's take the private school debate out of it for a minute give me a good reason why there shouldn't be classes? And the sweet 16 excuse ain't cutting it. Attendance was down this year so the revenue from attending isn't a factor. Now that there KHSAA TV and I know my school has a very slim chance of going I won't spend one penny on sweet 16 tickets.

 

Now one could say that if we had classes that the private schools would dominate that. Because they would not be any competition for them. My response to that is they could file to move up in class. Like Mayfield moved to 2a. Or Highlands to 4a.

 

The anti-classification people would say the little guys have the all a dal with it but that's just a cop out. 4 classes and play semifinals and finals of each class at Rupp and you still get that venue in March for high school hoops. Play your sectionals or districts like they do in football.

One, never said there could not be classes in basketball.

 

Two, Highlands per capital household income easily exceeds NCC so explain again how money hangs with money.

 

Three, classes (lets say 3) would likely result in more public schools and private schools winning state championships since there is only 1 now. It would not be dominated by either.

 

Four, not sure what Highlands and Mayfield move up examples refer to. Mayfield was sent to 2A because of enrollment. Highlands has played up in football in past years because geographically the district they would have been in was not financially prudent or good for the students and fans.

You need to revise your argument. Basketball regions across the state are overwhelmingly dominated by public schools. Using the football divisions as determined for the 2015-2018 realignment, lets look at the last five years of regional boys basketball champs...there have been a grand total of THREE private school programs that have won regional championships in the last 5 years, for a total of 6 regional titles (out of a possible 80 regional titles in that time). On the other hand, if you look at the number of 1A, 2A and 3A programs that have won regional titles in the last 5 years, you might be able to try making an argument for having a "small school championship" and a "large school championship". If you're trying to kick out private schools in hopes of getting your small school into the Sweet 16, though, your frustration is misplaced and you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

Region 1:

2015 - Calloway County (4A)

2014 - McCracken County (6A)

2013 - Graves County (5A)

2012 - Marshall County (5A)

2011 - Marshall County (5A)

 

Region 2:

2015 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2014 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2013 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2012 - Hopkinsville (4A)

2011 - Christian County (5A)

 

Region 3:

2015 - Owensboro (5A)

2014 - Owensboro (5A)

2013 - Ohio County (6A)

2012 - Apollo (5A)

2011 - Daviess County (6A)

 

Region 4:

2015 - Bowling Green (5A)

2014 - Bowling Green (5A)

2013 - Warren Central (4A)

2012 - Bowling Green (5A)

2011 - Warren Central (4A)

 

Region 5:

2015 - Taylor County (4A)

2014 - Bardstown (3A)

2013 - John Hardin (4A)

2012 - John Hardin (4A)

2011 - Bardstown (3A)

 

Region 6:

2015 - Doss (5A)

2014 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2013 - Pleasure Ridge Park (6A)

2012 - Bullitt East (5A)

2011 - Bullitt East (5A)

 

Region 7:

2015 - Ballard (6A)

2014 - Trinity (6A)

2013 - Ballard (6A)

2012 - Trinity (6A)

2011 - Eastern (6A)

 

Region 8:

2015 - Collins (4A)

2014 - South Oldham (5A)

2013 - South Oldham (5A)

2012 - Oldham County (5A)

2011 - Oldham County (5A)

 

Region 9:

2015 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2014 - Covington Catholic (5A)

2013 - Holmes (4A)

2012 - Boone County (6A)

2011 - Dixie Heights (5A)

 

Region 10:

2015 - Campbell County (6A)

2014 - Campbell County (6A)

2013 - Montgomery County (5A)

2012 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

2011 - George Rogers Clark (6A)

 

Region 11:

2015 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

2014 - Scott County (6A)

2013 - Madison Central (6A)

2012 - Scott County (6A)

2011 - Lexington Catholic (3A)

 

Region 12:

2015 - Boyle County (3A)

2014 - Wayne County (4A)

2013 - Wayne County (4A)

2012 - Southwestern (5A)

2011 - Wayne County (4A)

 

Region 13:

2015 - Williamsburg (1A)

2014 - Clay County (4A)

2013 - Clay County (4A)

2012 - North Laurel (5A)

2011 - Bell County (3A)

 

Region 14:

2015 - Knott County Central (3A)

2014 - Knott County Central (3A)

2013 - Knott County Central (3A)

2012 - Knott County Central (3A)

2011 - Perry County Central (5A)

 

Region 15:

2015 - Johnson Central (4A)

2014 - Johnson Central (4A)

2013 - Johnson Central (4A)

2012 - Johnson Central (4A)

2011 - Shelby Valley (2A)

 

Region 16:

2015 - Elliott County (No Football)

2014 - Fleming County (3A)

2013 - Fleming County (3A)

2012 - Rowan County (4A)

2011 - Rowan County (4A)

 

Thanks for posting this. Great information and what I was thinking.

 

That is what makes the All A great for the Smaller schools