God would not allow for someone to be born gay. You are allowed a choice in life. Why would God allow for a baby to be born gay and go to hell.

We can't even begin to understand how God works, why He does what He does or chooses to let us do. You're thinking like a mere human being, not like God thinks. Look at birth defects. How many times do we ask why when something happens that is out of the norm?

The notion that millions would "choose" a lifestyle that - recent trends notwithstanding - results in condemnation, monumentally increased risk of life-threatening disease, marriage inequality, etc. etc. etc. still astonishes me. Here's an interesting take:

 

 

 

I Didn't Choose to be Gay

 

So, is he now a deacon at his local Unitarian church?

I would say indulging homosexual desires is "equal to" deviant heterosexuality, in that both are outside of God's will.

 

I add the word "indulging" because of the article you linked above. I met a homosexual man one time who was attached to the same group (Exodus). He basically shared a similar story that the author of the linked article shared, except coming to different conclusions. He said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "I'll always have homosexual desires. Always. God doesn't ask me to get married or desire people of the opposite sex. He simply asks that I not give into my cravings because they are outside of His will."

 

 

Thank you for answering what, while not intended at all to be a loaded question, may have come across that way.

 

A key issue seems to be the subtle but significant difference between being homosexual and living a homosexual lifestyle.

Thank you for answering what, while not intended at all to be a loaded question, may have come across that way.

 

A key issue seems to be the subtle but significant difference between being homosexual and living a homosexual lifestyle.

 

 

Or CHOOSING to live a homosexual lifestyle. Perhaps that would have been a better choice of words.

God would not allow for someone to be born gay. You are allowed a choice in life. Why would God allow for a baby to be born gay and go to hell.

Why would God let baby to be born and die with a horrible disease?

A key issue seems to be the subtle but significant difference between being homosexual and living a homosexual lifestyle.

 

A huge difference between those two things IMO.

 

I didn't see it as a loaded question either. :thumb:

I chose to be straight when I saw little Susie and Sherry and Cathy and Patty and Christy and Debbie and Darlene and ..................... in Kindergarten:lol:

The notion that millions would "choose" a lifestyle that - recent trends notwithstanding - results in condemnation, monumentally increased risk of life-threatening disease, marriage inequality, etc. etc. etc. still astonishes me. Here's an interesting take:

 

 

 

I Didn't Choose to be Gay

 

 

Millions choose to quit school and do drugs, or.........wait for it...........maybe they were born to quit and be addicted.

God would not allow for someone to be born gay. You are allowed a choice in life. Why would God allow for a baby to be born gay and go to hell.

 

He wouldn't, which tells me the Bible was written by men with a very small world view and little education. I believe God views homosexual sex the exact same way God views heterosexual sex. What is sinful in one is sinful in the other and nothing more. The notion that it's a choice goes away very quickly once people know a homosexual person from childhood. The toughest part for people to get over is the fact that the Bible may not in fact be the exact word of God.

Apples and kumquats.

 

And while I don't know​ if homosexuality is a choice, I strongly suspect that it is not.

Yes the example was apples and kumquats but that wasn't my point. Your point was that no one would choose to be gay/lesbian due to all of the perceived hardships with that lifestyle, that no one would make that decision based on what they would be facing. I just pointed out an alternate decision that people make that somewhat leads to the same issues. My point was that people DO IN FACT make decisions that will harm or alter their lives everyday, even with that knowledge.

 

I don't know if being gay/lesbian is a choice or not, but just saying that no one would make a bad decision on their own because of the resulting aftermath doesn't match human history. Humans do it every day.

I can't view the video. What question was asked?

He wouldn't, which tells me the Bible was written by men with a very small world view and little education. I believe God views homosexual sex the exact same way God views heterosexual sex. What is sinful in one is sinful in the other and nothing more. The notion that it's a choice goes away very quickly once people know a homosexual person from childhood. The toughest part for people to get over is the fact that the Bible may not in fact be the exact word of God.

 

I believe herein lies the crux of the matter--how people view the Bible. I am of the firm belief that it is God's word & reveals His will for our lives. While it was penned by at least forty different human authors, there is one overriding theme throughout its sixty-six books.

 

People who disagree with how I & others view Scripture will naturally view various issues in a different light. The Bible shapes my worldview, while it has little or nothing to do with shaping the worldview of others. Some see that as being narrow-minded & I'm beyond comfortable with people coming to that conclusion, because the Bible records Jesus himself as saying that life with God is a "narrow path" that "only a few find" (Matthew 7: 13-14). Oddly enough, Jesus stated that just a handful of sentences after he said, "Do not judge or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1)--a verse many, many people cite in discussions such as these.

 

So to me, disagreements we have such as this are always going to exist because of how one views the Bible. Some see it as God's word; others do not.

I believe herein lies the crux of the matter--how people view the Bible. I am of the firm belief that it is God's word & reveals His will for our lives. While it was penned by at least forty different human authors, there is one overriding theme throughout its sixty-six books.

 

 

 

People who disagree with how I & others view Scripture will naturally view various issues in a different light. The Bible shapes my worldview, while it has little or nothing to do with shaping the worldview of others. Some see that as being narrow-minded & I'm beyond comfortable with people coming to that conclusion, because the Bible records Jesus himself as saying that life with God is a "narrow path" that "only a few find" (Matthew 7: 13-14). Oddly enough, Jesus stated that just a handful of sentences after he said, "Do not judge or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1)--a verse many, many people cite in discussions such as these.

 

So to me, disagreements we have such as this are always going to exist because of how one views the Bible. Some see it as God's word; others do not.

 

Thank you, RP!

 

As always, I sincerely appreciate your input of the scripture in these instances and your perspective thereof.

^ Thanks Opie.

I believe herein lies the crux of the matter--how people view the Bible. I am of the firm belief that it is God's word & reveals His will for our lives. While it was penned by at least forty different human authors, there is one overriding theme throughout its sixty-six books.

 

People who disagree with how I & others view Scripture will naturally view various issues in a different light. The Bible shapes my worldview, while it has little or nothing to do with shaping the worldview of others. Some see that as being narrow-minded & I'm beyond comfortable with people coming to that conclusion, because the Bible records Jesus himself as saying that life with God is a "narrow path" that "only a few find" (Matthew 7: 13-14). Oddly enough, Jesus stated that just a handful of sentences after he said, "Do not judge or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1)--a verse many, many people cite in discussions such as these.

 

So to me, disagreements we have such as this are always going to exist because of how one views the Bible. Some see it as God's word; others do not.

 

See this is my issue with this line of thinking Randy....Give me a reason. You say I view the scripture as God's word because in Scripture he himself said.....Those verses you quote have zero impact or significance on people who view the Bible as a guide, not as God's word. I want a logical reason as to why I should comdemn homosexuals to an eternity in hell, and don't give me "the Bible says so", because if I don't view the Bible as God's word, why should I care what the verses say?