On the founding fathers & slavery, my initial response is that they made a big mistake on that one. Perhaps they looked at Biblical references, such as Ephesians 6 which instructs slaves to be obedient to their masters, and then came away thinking the Bible condoned slavery as we think of it. Not sure on that. Just a guess.

 

If that is the case, though, the founders misunderstood some things about slavery in the Bible. Most slaves (most, not all) in the New Testament times were not taken captive and sold by strangers. Paul condemns slave traders/slave trading (1 Timothy 1:10). From what I understand from history, many slaves in those days had sold themselves into slavery because they were unable to pay a personal debt; so they chose slavery over being imprisoned. Freedom could be regained by repaying their debt or being redeemed by a relative. Then every fifty years (during Jubilee) the slaves were set free (Leviticus 25).

 

There's even a book of the Bible that's written to a man named Philemon, who owned a slave named Onesimus. The latter had run away and fled to Rome, where he was converted to Christianity. Paul encouraged both men to do what was appropriate as Christians (Onesimus to return & apologize...Philemon to receive Onesimus as a brother, refuse retaliation & was encouraged to release him).

 

Thankfully, Christianity had individuals such as Wilberforce & Dr. King, who came along and exposed slavery for the gross violation of human rights that it was.

Yes. I'm just curious why, as a follower of Christ, you require certain levels of political action when Jesus didn't.

 

I understand the concept of "thou shalt not kill" and many other commandments that Jesus came to fulfill. Jesus did also. You are missing the core of what the Bible teaches.

I understand the concept of "thou shalt not kill" and many other commandments that Jesus came to fulfill. Jesus did also. You are missing the core of what the Bible teaches.

 

Feel free to elaborate or explain.

As a Christian I think its sad we cannot pray over a loud speaker as a group for the well being of the kids/others who are involved in this game. A game where injuries do happen and some can be pretty serious. I mentioned this earlier.

 

I also can remember going to school and saying the prayer after the pledge to the flag. No longer can.

 

I also remember the Ten Commandments being seen through out our country. No longer can.

 

Abortion was not hardly ever done and heard of.

 

I often have mentioned this..."God does not change, man does".

^I understand what you're saying, but you're beliefs shouldn't be given a priority over the beliefs of others in a public school environment and setting.

I just want to step out of the box for a second and say that I have thoroughly enjoyed reading through this thread and the arguments on both sides. It's been a very spirited and very interesting debate.

 

I'm not personally in favor of public prayer, but my reasons are admittedly selfish. I'm tolerant and bow my head and go along with it, but I'd prefer to not have to go along with it for fear of my family (Note: Not myself... I couldn't care less what people think of me, for better or worse) being ostracized.

Feel free to elaborate or explain.

 

I think you should explain what I am missing. Is it wrong to have laws that says its ok to kill unborn kids who have no way to protect themselves? I know that the ritual of "passing kids through the fire" was dealing with sacrifice to Molech was with kids that were already born, but you see what the Bible says about that? Both instances are with young kids that have no defense of themselves. There were no laws prohibiting this in that culture at that time, but you see what God said about it? There are many laws today( and they are getting more and more) that directly goes against the Bible. Does that make the Bible wrong cause it dont line up with man made laws? To quote Alabama Larry, " God does not change, Man does" God help us.

^When the heck did this debate turn towards abortion? What did I miss?

^When the heck did this debate turn towards abortion? What did I miss?

 

Agreed. We are straying from the path.

hahaha, just the type of response I was waiting on, glad to get you in a rampage this morning. Have you ever heard of the saying, "The power of Prayer" maybe if this guy had heard it before the game he wouldnt have done this, just maybe.

 

How do you know that he didn't excercise his freedom of religion by praying before the game?

The right to abort kids is wrong. The right to stop prayer is wrong. Ask Jesus and God on judgement day. Wait you wont have to, they will tell you.

I am one of the Christian posters on this site and ...

 

Do you think that you behave in a way that is Christ-like? I don't expect an answer, just as you didn't respond to my post in there last week about the same issue.

The right to stop prayer is wrong.

 

No one has stopped prayer. You, me or anyone can pray before a Bell Co football game.

No one has stopped prayer. You, me or anyone can pray before a Bell Co football game.

 

Not sure why this concept is so hard for them to grasp. Or maybe their ignoring it on purpose....:idunno:

Yes. In both. Got my first Greek/Hebrew Bible almost 12 years ago.

 

Nestle/Aland?

 

Biblia Hebraica?

 

Where did you study? I spent 2 years in languages at Southern Seminary in Louisville?