This point continues to be ignored in this thread because it doesn't "fit" the mold. No one seems to have an answer or explanation for this. Someone please tell me what the difference is between this and the public school prayer? A prayer is also said on the congressional floor to begin each session (aloud) by a tax payer funded chaplain. Why has this not been stopped by the atheist?

 

It's not even always a taxpayer-funded chaplain. The KY House of Representatives, for example, often invites volunteer, evangelical Christian ministers to offer the prayer before sessions.

South... Along the Tennessee border in the eastern part of the state. We have an office in Middlesboro I used to visit quite frequently.

 

I should have known that. Thanks! :thumb:

South... Along the Tennessee border in the eastern part of the state. We have an office in Middlesboro I used to visit quite frequently.

Pineville is county seat, correct?

That's an interesting take. But I would think if that is indeed the difference, the football game (a non-educational event, or less potential for "indoctrination") wouldn't fall under the same guidelines as a Monday thru Friday school day. Does that make sense?

 

So am I correct in saying you think the prayer should be disallowed in both venues, since you said you didn't see a difference?

 

I would think it would still fall under the same guidelines as it is a public school event. But I can see your point.

 

You would be correct. One thing I absolutely loathe is prayer for show. There is simply no need to start a football game or a session of Congress or anything other than a religious service with a public prayer. Private prayers, IMO, accomplish the same thing.

Good and please do not start. You may get offended and hurt feelings. I am sure Bell fans would not want you either.

And I was just about to invite you to a game...

 

 

P.S. My feelings are not easily hurt and my breaking point on getting offended is sky high. I can't help intolerance, stupidity, etc---so I just smile and go about my day.

Pineville is county seat, correct?

 

Correct.

mountainref,

 

Should I not expect an answer to this?

 

And why do I not deserve rights? Would you rather I just die and go away so you may live in your box free of ones who don't believe as you?

 

 

A) Why do I not deserve rights?

 

and

 

B) What would you like to happen to atheists? How would you "solve the problem"?

You would be correct. One thing I absolutely loathe is prayer for show. There is simply no need to start a football game or a session of Congress or anything other than a religious service with a public prayer. Private prayers, IMO, accomplish the same thing.

 

With some, there is no doubt the "praying for show" mentality of which you spoke. As one who prays publicly on a frequent basis, I can attest that this is occasionally an unfortunate temptation for me--to use words or phrases for the purpose of impressing others. Jesus strongly cautioned against that, but it's an ongoing battle.

 

But I will say (and I'm not saying you stated this) that not all public prayer is done for show. A great deal of it is genuine and harmless.

 

And since you stated your opinion on the matter, I'll state mine. If Randy ruled the world (:lol:), I'd permit the prayer at the football game.

mountainref,

 

Should I not expect an answer to this?

 

 

 

A) Why do I not deserve rights?

 

and

 

B) What would you like to happen to atheists? How would you "solve the problem"?

 

You dont deserve rights because IMO you are one sided as you are the only one correct. Everyones rights should be what you think. If you think prayer outloud is bad then why punish those who feel it is OK. Just because you dont believe. Youi can take the public place, taxpayers stuff and shove that arguement as far as you like down the drain.

 

As for atheist, I have no problem with them and hope they get into church and get saved.

You dont deserve rights because IMO you are one sided as you are the only one correct. Everyones rights should be what you think. If you think prayer outloud is bad then why punish those who feel it is OK. Just because you dont believe. Youi can take the public place, taxpayers stuff and shove that arguement as far as you like down the drain.

 

As for atheist, I have no problem with them and hope they get into church and get saved.

 

So, the majority should have the right to shove their particular stripe of Christianity down everyone else's throat — complete with out loud wailings, massaging of the temples and other "look at how pious I am" expressions — just by virtue of being the majority? For the millionth time, not everyone believes your way. What gives you the right to impose your religious stripe on others? Why do those imposed upon have no say in the matter?

You dont deserve rights because IMO you are one sided as you are the only one correct. Everyones rights should be what you think. If you think prayer outloud is bad then why punish those who feel it is OK. Just because you dont believe. Youi can take the public place, taxpayers stuff and shove that arguement as far as you like down the drain.

 

As for atheist, I have no problem with them and hope they get into church and get saved.

 

You don't deserve rights then either. You're the most one-sided, my way or the highway individual I've ever come across. You feel your rights should trump the rights of everyone that doesn't think like you.

I was at the Nascar race in Bristol, Tn. Saturday night. We sang God Bless The USA. Did the Pledge of Allegiance. Then Joe Gibbs led 155,000 in prayer. Then we sang the National Anthem. All this was done as troops in uniform were positioned down every aisle in the place. I can't wait to here about the lawsuit that this will cause and what Nascar's response will be. I do have a pretty good idea what it will be though...

Former, the peace I was talking about is how I relate to things/people I disagree with and the Peace of knowing of and reading about eternal life.

 

Hatz, I was giving examples of the topic of praying out loud and giving examples of Jesus doing just that, there is no need for me in going into details on these examples or their meaning, the posters probaby don't want a a study of my examples.

 

He asked if prayer in Football games were in the Bible. And where did Jesus pray out loud.

 

Not sure of your beef of my statement. If you follow his lead thats your choice.

Also stopped at a rest area coming home on Sunday afternoon. There was a muslim with his blanket on the grass and he was praying. No one said anything to him and the rest area didn't blow up...

I was at the Nascar race in Bristol, Tn. Saturday night. We sang God Bless The USA. Did the Pledge of Allegiance. Then Joe Gibbs led 155,000 in prayer. Then we sang the National Anthem. All this was done as troops in uniform were positioned down every aisle in the place. I can't wait to here about the lawsuit that this will cause and what Nascar's response will be. I do have a pretty good idea what it will be though...

 

Why would there be a lawsuit? Last time I checked, NASCAR wasn't a government funded program, like public education is.