1 hour ago, Ordell said:

I tried to explain some of this earlier in the thread. I now have some of the info to show my example. I believe talented kids are leaving Owensboro because the offense is not varied enough. We have had trouble consistently getting the ball to our playmakers at Wide Receiver for a while now. Let’s use the Crowe kid as an example. In 2023 as a Junior at OHS he had 16 carries for 153 yards with 6 rushing TD’s. He also had 28 receptions for 432 yards and 5 TD’s. So that’s 44 times he touched the ball in 14 games. An average of 3 touches a game. In 2024 he transfers to Catholic and has 35 carries for 404 yards with 4 rushing TD’s. He also had 60 receptions for 1063 yards and 22 TD’s. So that was 95 times he touched the ball in 15 games. An average of 6 touches a game. Maddox while at OHS as a Sophmore had 2 receptions for 6 yards with 1 TD. He transfers to Catholic and has 29 catches for 381 yards with 5 TD’s. (This while missing multiple weeks with knee injuries.) And I don’t believe it was a situation where they went to play with less talented kids so they were targeted more. Catholic had another 1,000 yard receiver in Waryn Ebelhar. Cameron Woodard had 600+ yards receiving. Miles Edge had 32 catches for 338 yards. Then Edge, and the QB Atwell, combined to rush for almost 1400 yards. In 2024 Owensboro attempted 209 passes while rushing 286 times in 12 games. Catholic attempted 447 passes while attempting 274 rushes in 15 games.. There are a lot of Red Devil fans that feel Catholic’s offense does a better job of giving their playmakers opportunities. And has for a long time. Catholic doesn’t play a regular season schedule as strong as Owensboro does most years. But outside of OHS playing CAL, and Bowling Green, the schedules aren’t much different. There’s an offensive philosophy that has been in play that no longer fits a lot of the Owensboro players, parents, & fan base. There are just so many die hard Red Devil fans many parents refuse to move their kids.

So it’s about individual stats and not winning. Take this past season out since OHS didn’t get past the 3rd round because District 1 and District 2 are extremely good districts in 5A and they are one of the most consistent winning programs in the state. Maybe the players caring more about numbers and not doing what is best for the team is the reason why players are leaving or why they have the talent to get over the hump but can’t because the players aren’t bought into the team 1st concept. Also before it goes there stats do not get players offers to play college football.  Measurables like height, weight, speed, agility, etc do.  

What is taking so long to fill this position? 

1 hour ago, zoneblitz24 said:

So it’s about individual stats and not winning. Take this past season out since OHS didn’t get past the 3rd round because District 1 and District 2 are extremely good districts in 5A and they are one of the most consistent winning programs in the state. Maybe the players caring more about numbers and not doing what is best for the team is the reason why players are leaving or why they have the talent to get over the hump but can’t because the players aren’t bought into the team 1st concept. Also before it goes there stats do not get players offers to play college football.  Measurables like height, weight, speed, agility, etc do.  

Just an observation...rarely is it the kids who aren't bought in to the team concept, but rather mommies, daddies, grannies and aunties that don't buy into the team concept therefore the kids don't buy into the concept.  Coaches can't out talk the noise in a kids ear when the family knows more, tells the kids how they aren't being treated right, and that going somewhere else is the solution...... Fidelity is a rare commodity, so is discipline, so is honoring your word and being a good teammate as well.      

 

Sometimes it is good to lose that cancereous mindsets and famileis for the sake of the greater good..... nothing made me happier than my problem leaving and becoming someone else's problem.

The most important victories any coach can get, especially walking into a new position?

 

….are the one’s at the dinner tables.

2 hours ago, zoneblitz24 said:

So it’s about individual stats and not winning. Take this past season out since OHS didn’t get past the 3rd round because District 1 and District 2 are extremely good districts in 5A and they are one of the most consistent winning programs in the state. Maybe the players caring more about numbers and not doing what is best for the team is the reason why players are leaving or why they have the talent to get over the hump but can’t because the players aren’t bought into the team 1st concept. Also before it goes there stats do not get players offers to play college football.  Measurables like height, weight, speed, agility, etc do.  

Why would you say that when there are plenty of examples of schools spreading the ball around and still winning? Let’s look at Paducah Tilghman. The Tornado were pretty loaded this year. Lots of studs to feed but the staff figured out a way to get it done. They had 6 kids with over 30 catches! 9 kids with double digit receptions. Then they had 7 kids with double digit rushing attempts. For comparison sake Owensboro had one kid with over 30 receptions. And this kid lead the team in receptions with 41. Followed by kids with 25, 18,15,& 14 receptions. On the rushing side Owensboro had 3 kids with double digit rushing attempts. Now do you think any of those kids from Paducah are wanting to leave the program? I personally doubt it because they’re getting opportunities. 

3 hours ago, Ordell said:

Why would you say that when there are plenty of examples of schools spreading the ball around and still winning? Let’s look at Paducah Tilghman. The Tornado were pretty loaded this year. Lots of studs to feed but the staff figured out a way to get it done. They had 6 kids with over 30 catches! 9 kids with double digit receptions. Then they had 7 kids with double digit rushing attempts. For comparison sake Owensboro had one kid with over 30 receptions. And this kid lead the team in receptions with 41. Followed by kids with 25, 18,15,& 14 receptions. On the rushing side Owensboro had 3 kids with double digit rushing attempts. Now do you think any of those kids from Paducah are wanting to leave the program? I personally doubt it because they’re getting opportunities. 

This isn’t a post about Paducah Tilghman so I’m going to refrain from talking about them but I’m from far West KY and and if you wanna use them as an example of how you want your OWN players getting opportunities I wouldn’t use them lol. 

22 minutes ago, zoneblitz24 said:

This isn’t a post about Paducah Tilghman so I’m going to refrain from talking about them but I’m from far West KY and and if you wanna use them as an example of how you want your OWN players getting opportunities I wouldn’t use them lol. 

Lol If you haven’t noticed there’s quite a bit of player movement in the Greater Owensboro area. Sometimes it has helped OHS but more recently it’s negatively affected us. If the next coaching staff will adopt a more wide open approach I think we’ll reverse the loss of athletes and May start attracting kids from out of district.

9 hours ago, Ordell said:

Lol If you haven’t noticed there’s quite a bit of player movement in the Greater Owensboro area. Sometimes it has helped OHS but more recently it’s negatively affected us. If the next coaching staff will adopt a more wide open approach I think we’ll reverse the loss of athletes and May start attracting kids from out of district.

I just hate the culture change in sports especially at the high school level where the message that we are teaching kids is if something is hard or you aren't getting what you want just transfer somewhere else that will give you what you want.  Now I believe if you have a genuine concern over the treatment of your kid by a coaching staff or let's just say it a schools academic and athletic programs are a dumpster fire I understand.   I fear that mentality is going to transfer over when these young men are adults when things start to get really hard not just high school football hard.

Possible the biggest difference between OCath and PT and Owensboro is the QB play.  Both OCath and PT had generational talents at QB...that makes a difference in the plays you call and how you structure an offense!

Well Culturally Owensboro better find a Coach soon. It can't be this hard. @JD5692 didn't listen but it will be an inside hire. 

1 hour ago, zoneblitz24 said:

I just hate the culture change in sports especially at the high school level where the message that we are teaching kids is if something is hard or you aren't getting what you want just transfer somewhere else that will give you what you want.  Now I believe if you have a genuine concern over the treatment of your kid by a coaching staff or let's just say it a schools academic and athletic programs are a dumpster fire I understand.   I fear that mentality is going to transfer over when these young men are adults when things start to get really hard not just high school football hard.

I understand your view I do but we’ve dealt with some player movement for at least the last 30+ years in Owensboro. We have 4 high schools all within a few miles of each other. So we’ve sometimes had kids that couldn’t crack the starting lineup leave to go where they could play. Or a kid may have friends that they grew up playing AAU basketball, or travel baseball with, all be at a rival school. So a kid may transfer to be with his friends. I look at it like someone changing jobs. If you’re not happy where you are currently you have the freedom to go find happiness. IMO the only thing a school system, or sports program, can do is try and create an environment that appeals to kids and families. Just like a corporation has too. For sports I think you do that by having an exciting brand of ball. A nurturing culture that emphasizes the well being of the kids, morals, and education. A program that promotes their athletes by giving them exposure through 7 on 7 tourneys, college camps, recruiting help, etc. And finally a program that fosters a brotherhood amongst the players and former players. 

1 hour ago, okie1 said:

Possible the biggest difference between OCath and PT and Owensboro is the QB play.  Both OCath and PT had generational talents at QB...that makes a difference in the plays you call and how you structure an offense!

Owensboro had Gavin Wimsatt 4-5 years ago. The offense looked a lot like it does now. Also go look at what Owensboro Catholic has looked like for the last 20 years. They have a QB throw for 3,000+ yards almost every year. I believe the kid coming in next year will put up huge numbers as well. It’s the system. Owensboro has struggled at developing QB’s IMO. The one year the offense seemed to be really wide open was the year the QB transferred over from Owensboro Catholic. By the time he got to Frederica Street he was fully developed and the offense just had to be catered to his talents. He set all kinds of OHS passing records that year.

I just spent about an hour of my day catching up on this thread.  This is how I feel.  In all seriousness this thread and the Bourbon County/Paris coaching saga keeps me entertained on slow days.  

14 minutes ago, Ordell said:

Owensboro had Gavin Wimsatt 4-5 years ago. The offense looked a lot like it does now. Also go look at what Owensboro Catholic has looked like for the last 20 years. They have a QB throw for 3,000+ yards almost every year. I believe the kid coming in next year will put up huge numbers as well. It’s the system. Owensboro has struggled at developing QB’s IMO. The one year the offense seemed to be really wide open was the year the QB transferred over from Owensboro Catholic. By the time he got to Frederica Street he was fully developed and the offense just had to be catered to his talents. He set all kinds of OHS passing records that year.

How many Championships has OCath won in the last 20 years?

So Owensboro wants to look good and put up big numbers, win a lot of games, but fail to win the big one?  

Every program is different and if you want to have envy of one program that has different kids and different skill sets go ahead.

I have seen kids who can flat out fly...who are built like greek gods, and couldn't catch a cold...but by gosh, let's try and throw them the ball because that's the cool thing.

I watched Wimsatt with 4 years of college development struggle to throw the ball with accuracy and consistency this year for UK...but yet he came in to run the zone read?  I guess all those college coaches can't develop a QB either.

It's crazy because Oboro has a guy on staff that knows how to have a 3,000 yard passer and multiple  receivers put up big numbers. Coach Barnes knows the Franklin system really well. He ran it and Coached it. If Oboro wants that kind of offense he would be the guy to run it.