Casey Co. Did beat Lincoln Co. This year in football.  That shouldn’t happen. 

8 minutes ago, LethalPG said:

I’m sorry like I said we can not agree.  A 6”5 240 running and throwing QB would be my pick as best Casey Co. Football player in years.  Not exactly a powerhouse program. 

As has been pointed out already by someone else Casey won 10 games and made a region championship game in 2016. Won 10 games again in 2017. Then won 8 in 2018. I’m sure those teams had some good players too. 
 

But we do agree that Casey is not a powerhouse program. There’s no doubt about that.
 

Losing one player in football isn’t as devastating. Tennessee lost Peyton Manning and won a national championship the year after. 

We also agree that Casey should never really beat Lincoln. But they have won three in a row. 2016, 2022 and 2023.  But, that one win doesn’t move the needle for me compared to the previous year for the facts I stated before. 

6 minutes ago, StudRB said:

Losing one player in football isn’t as devastating. Tennessee lost Peyton Manning and won a national championship the year after. 

That Tennessee team had a lot of home grown talent, what an impressive season!

On 2/3/2024 at 3:10 PM, LethalPG said:

And would not be going on vacation during the season.  I’m sorry, but when you have the crosstown rival up next it’s bad optics.  I know they would not win anyways, but I just don’t think it’s a good look.  We can agree to disagree. 

You do know Casey County didn’t have practice during fall break don’t you?

Since 2002, Lincoln County will be looking for its 7th coach. I'm no rocket scientist, however, the 2024 season is coming up. I'd say we are all pretty good at basic math enough to figure out that average tenure.

In the previous 22 seasons, under the previous 6 coaches, there has been:

- Only 4 winning seasons

- Eleven of those seasons have been 1-3 win seasons. Ten of those years were in the previous 20 seasons before Jaggers. 

- Each of the previous six coaches owns at least one of those 1-3 win seasons.

- The late Robbie Lucas, who was let go after the '03 season won 4 games in his two years before getting forced out. Then later went back to Somerset as an assistant for a few years, before then getting the head job in '09 where he he won 9 region titles, a state runner up and Somerset finally kicking down the door to win their first state title.

- Larry French won 7 games in his first two years. Then capped off his four year tenure with a 10-2 2006 season and Lincoln's last of their 4 region titles in 2007.

- Mike Settles took three seasons to win 7 games after taking over in 2008. The same Mike Settles who led Ohio County to their only playoff win to date in 2002. Mike then goes to Bullitt East in 2003-2007 where he wins a region title there, and worst season being 5-6 in '07. 5-6 was the best he could muster up, however, at Lincoln.

- Travis Leffew won six games in his first two years won 6 games. He had three, 3 win seasons and a one win season. 

- Spencer Crutchfield won 10 games in his first two years and owns half of the total winning seasons since '02 and two playoff wins. Despite his successes there, and they were just that, he still finished with a losing record while there.

- Josh Jaggers won 6 in his only two years.

Since '95 there has only been two seasons where they've had back to back years where they've won at least one playoff game each year (2006 & 2007).

On 2/3/2024 at 9:26 PM, barrel said:

The season/year is a long grind. People need a break from 7 day a week work weeks for 2-3 months. If they took the week off but no one knew if any left for a vacation would that change things? If assistant coaches want to practice that week I’m sure they all had the chance to put in their input. This doesn’t even take into account players taking vacations. 
 

What would people think if you didn’t do anything in June? Scott Co hasn’t done anything in June in forever and it appears to work for them. Using the bye week/fall break off as an excuse or against a coach is pretty weak. 

And I'd be willing to say the same ones complaining about "work ethic" (aka, taking off fall break/open week) were the same one's complaining (not directly to him of course) about 6am practices during parts of the week all through August up through September. 

An effort in which started to avoid heat index issues with a new turf field, zero shade around, avoid any potential usage issues with other sports & an attempt to maximize weekly preparation time where they could effectively practice, film, lift, condition,(all players, even scout team/younger) etc during the week and not let any of those slip like often times happens as you get into the season in places where you have to do everything after school.

Josh will be fine if he wants to coach again. While his overall record isn't the shiniest, all be it at not exactly at the helm of house hold name programs, he's got a region title under his belt and 6 or 7 total playoff wins in his 10 years.  Lincoln County will be as well, but they have to give the next person time or help make it enticing for them to stick around. Going on their 7th head coach in just over 20 years? There are more issues than taking fall break/open week off this season.

They've got a talented junior to be class where many of them were counted on in 2023. The biggest thing they've got to do, though, is stay healthy. The last two years, it wasn't a roster full of kids with rocket boosters up their tails, but the ones they did have? Were either sidelined for the entirety or for the majority of the season, both in 2022 and 2023.

That's where toxic, crap among adults with ulterior motives hurts the most. The kids. Both the players and his kids were they up and moved from where they were already rooted and had started school. In the long run, though, they'll all be fine. Kids adjust to change far better than adults more times than not, or at least a lot more than we give them credit for.

Lincoln will more than likely still fall high end 4A with the next realignment, firmly in a district/region with Boyle and Corbin. If they barely slide into 5A? They'll fall in with Pulaski County, Southwestern and that bunch which did them no favors for a 10 year stretch

12 hours ago, Nuke LaLoosh said:

You do know Casey County didn’t have practice during fall break don’t you?

Read my quote.  Didn't say anything about giving the players off from practice.  I just said bad optics for the HC to go on vacation during the season.  I'm sure film was being crunched on the beach...

11 hours ago, Calico Jack said:

Since 2002, Lincoln County will be looking for its 7th coach. I'm no rocket scientist, however, the 2024 season is coming up. I'd say we are all pretty good at basic math enough to figure out that average tenure.

In the previous 22 seasons, under the previous 6 coaches, there has been:

- Only 4 winning seasons

- Eleven of those seasons have been 1-3 win seasons. Ten of those years were in the previous 20 seasons before Jaggers. 

- Each of the previous six coaches owns at least one of those 1-3 win seasons.

- The late Robbie Lucas, who was let go after the '03 season won 4 games in his two years before getting forced out. Then later went back to Somerset as an assistant for a few years, before then getting the head job in '09 where he he won 9 region titles, a state runner up and Somerset finally kicking down the door to win their first state title.

- Larry French won 7 games in his first two years. Then capped off his four year tenure with a 10-2 2006 season and Lincoln's last of their 4 region titles in 2007.

- Mike Settles took three seasons to win 7 games after taking over in 2008. The same Mike Settles who led Ohio County to their only playoff win to date in 2002. Mike then goes to Bullitt East in 2003-2007 where he wins a region title there, and worst season being 5-6 in '07. 5-6 was the best he could muster up, however, at Lincoln.

- Travis Leffew won six games in his first two years won 6 games. He had three, 3 win seasons and a one win season. 

- Spencer Crutchfield won 10 games in his first two years and owns half of the total winning seasons since '02 and two playoff wins. Despite his successes there, and they were just that, he still finished with a losing record while there.

- Josh Jaggers won 6 in his only two years.

Since '95 there has only been two seasons where they've had back to back years where they've won at least one playoff game each year (2006 & 2007).

Spencer Crutchfield won 10 games in his first two years and owns half of the total winning seasons since '02 and two playoff wins. Despite his successes there, and they were just that, he still finished with a losing record while there.  

Coach Crutchfield did a great job while being there...I think the supporters of the program valued that kind of progress and work ethic...

11 hours ago, Calico Jack said:

Since 2002, Lincoln County will be looking for its 7th coach. I'm no rocket scientist, however, the 2024 season is coming up. I'd say we are all pretty good at basic math enough to figure out that average tenure.

In the previous 22 seasons, under the previous 6 coaches, there has been:

- Only 4 winning seasons

- Eleven of those seasons have been 1-3 win seasons. Ten of those years were in the previous 20 seasons before Jaggers. 

- Each of the previous six coaches owns at least one of those 1-3 win seasons.

- The late Robbie Lucas, who was let go after the '03 season won 4 games in his two years before getting forced out. Then later went back to Somerset as an assistant for a few years, before then getting the head job in '09 where he he won 9 region titles, a state runner up and Somerset finally kicking down the door to win their first state title.

- Larry French won 7 games in his first two years. Then capped off his four year tenure with a 10-2 2006 season and Lincoln's last of their 4 region titles in 2007.

- Mike Settles took three seasons to win 7 games after taking over in 2008. The same Mike Settles who led Ohio County to their only playoff win to date in 2002. Mike then goes to Bullitt East in 2003-2007 where he wins a region title there, and worst season being 5-6 in '07. 5-6 was the best he could muster up, however, at Lincoln.

- Travis Leffew won six games in his first two years won 6 games. He had three, 3 win seasons and a one win season. 

- Spencer Crutchfield won 10 games in his first two years and owns half of the total winning seasons since '02 and two playoff wins. Despite his successes there, and they were just that, he still finished with a losing record while there.

- Josh Jaggers won 6 in his only two years.

Since '95 there has only been two seasons where they've had back to back years where they've won at least one playoff game each year (2006 & 2007).

Serious question: Why has basketball been historically better than football? Also, why has administration shown so much loyalty to Coach Jackson and the basketball program and not the football? Rightfully so, Coach Jackson deserves everything. I’m just curious why football struggles mightily when basketball has been so good. 

13 hours ago, Nuke LaLoosh said:

You do know Casey County didn’t have practice during fall break don’t you?

Both Casey and Lincoln had such great football season given that they both took off during fall break. They combined for 9 wins last season and were both done with football by November 3rd exactly 4 weeks after their fall breaks/vacations. Surely they could have waited one more month to leave right? If you need to take a break during your season then you need to evaluate if you truly want to be a coach. Everyone wants to be a champion until it is time to do championship stuff. Champions don't take off during the season and a coach that sets that standard has no intention of being a champion.

18 minutes ago, 12th Region Fan said:

Serious question: Why has basketball been historically better than football? Also, why has administration shown so much loyalty to Coach Jackson and the basketball program and not the football? Rightfully so, Coach Jackson deserves everything. I’m just curious why football struggles mightily when basketball has been so good. 

My math could be off by a number, but since Coach Jackson arrived at Lincoln County, this will be the 6th different Head Football Coach. It's not fair to compare district and region championships, because they do not share the same opponents traditionally. For example however, Mike Settles never had a winning season in his 6 years at the program. I would be highly shocked if the basketball program went 6 years in a row without a winning season. Just seems like a consistency issue, looking at it from the outside. 

36 minutes ago, 12th Region Fan said:

Serious question: Why has basketball been historically better than football? Also, why has administration shown so much loyalty to Coach Jackson and the basketball program and not the football? Rightfully so, Coach Jackson deserves everything. I’m just curious why football struggles mightily when basketball has been so good. 

Because all of the community HS schools that came together in consolidation had basketball teams...Stanford HS may have been the only school to have played football. 

LC historians can tell how many small communities had HS's before consolidation but there were quite a few.

LC is a large county land mass wise...lots of farming kids who had/have trouble attending summer practices...

Coaching and program turnover hasn't helped either.

18 minutes ago, okie1 said:

Because all of the community HS schools that came together in consolidation had basketball teams...Stanford HS may have been the only school to have played football. 

LC historians can tell how many small communities had HS's before consolidation but there were quite a few.

LC is a large county land mass wise...lots of farming kids who had/have trouble attending summer practices...

Five high schools - Stanford in the county seat, Crab Orchard, Hustonville, McKinney, and Waynesburg Memorial all in the county. Only Stanford played football. Basketball has long been very strong in the county. I've spoken with multiple football coaches from Lincoln County over the years who said their roster was primarily Stanford kids with a much small percentage coming from out in the county.

Go to an elementary school in Lincoln Co. on a Sat. during the winter, and that will tell you everything you need to know about why the basketball program has been a mainstay.  Lincoln Co. has a basketball culture that is unmatched in this area, and it bleeds into the MS program and HS program.  Coach Jackson is an outstanding coach, but kids in Lincoln Co. grow up wanting to be a basketball players and make state tournaments.  It can still be a solid football school IMO.

22 minutes ago, LethalPG said:

Go to an elementary school in Lincoln Co. on a Sat. during the winter, and that will tell you everything you need to know about why the basketball program has been a mainstay.  Lincoln Co. has a basketball culture that is unmatched in this area, and it bleeds into the MS program and HS program.  Coach Jackson is an outstanding coach, but kids in Lincoln Co. grow up wanting to be a basketball players and make state tournaments.  It can still be a solid football school IMO.

Has there ever been an effort made at the little league level to obtain a culture like that for football? It is my understanding that basketball is played year round at that level in Lincoln.