1 hour ago, Bluto said:

If the "journalist" (HA!) and the producer don't skewer him royally in the segment, they're as stupid as he is.

If he thinks the gun magically fired itself then he’s to damn dumb to own a BB gun…

18 hours ago, theguru said:

From Forbes.com:

Rust assistant director Dave Halls backed up Alec Baldwin's claim that he didn't pull the trigger of the gun that shot and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, an attorney for Halls said Thursday, adding to the mystery of how a gun with live ammunition ended up killing someone on the movie set.

"His finger was never in the trigger guard.” 

Torraco said Halls told her it was a “misfire” and “a pure accident — freak, awful accident [that] unfortunately killed somebody.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/12/02/alec-did-not-pull-that-trigger-rust-assistant-director-backs-up-baldwins-claim-about-shooting/?sh=7cf0c90045ea

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I am just sitting here scratching my head.  

I guess they are all claiming the gun fired on its own.

I did hear a news report claiming the armorer said one of the rounds she put in the gun didn't originally fit in the gun but she cleaned it up (or something like that) and put it in the gun.  Yikes!

Even if I believed he didn't have his finger on the trigger, which I don't, he had to be pointing it at them. You never do that unless you are ready and willing to pull the trigger. It was up to him to check the weapon. Totally his responsibility.

1 hour ago, Run To State said:

Even if I believed he didn't have his finger on the trigger, which I don't, he had to be pointing it at them. You never do that unless you are ready and willing to pull the trigger. It was up to him to check the weapon. Totally his responsibility.

You're responsible for the gun in your hand, period. 

Also, this screams attorney driven formulated response to me. If something that tragic happened in my life, the entire time I'm helping the victim I'm making it clear my finger never touched the trigger. 

6 hours ago, ChickenWyngz said:

You're responsible for the gun in your hand, period. 

Also, this screams attorney driven formulated response to me. If something that tragic happened in my life, the entire time I'm helping the victim I'm making it clear my finger never touched the trigger. 

Couldn't agree more!

8 hours ago, Run To State said:

Even if I believed he didn't have his finger on the trigger, which I don't, he had to be pointing it at them. You never do that unless you are ready and willing to pull the trigger. It was up to him to check the weapon. Totally his responsibility.

 

6 hours ago, ChickenWyngz said:

You're responsible for the gun in your hand, period. 

Also, this screams attorney driven formulated response to me. If something that tragic happened in my life, the entire time I'm helping the victim I'm making it clear my finger never touched the trigger. 

 

22 minutes ago, Run To State said:

Couldn't agree more!

Agree on all counts.

If what Baldwin claims now actually happened it would have been shoved down our throats from second one.  I don't believe a word the man says at this point.

I didn't have a chance to watch the interview last night but I saw a short snippet from it online today. Baldwin said he was being instructed by cinematographer Hutchins while holding the (single action) revolver for the camera shot.

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Baldwin: "I said to her, 'Now in this scene I'm going to cock the gun.' And I said, 'Do you want to see that?' and she said, 'Yes.' So I take the gun and I start to cock the gun; I'm not going to pull the trigger."

Stephanopoulos: "So you had this Colt .45, and you just pulled-"

Baldwin: "-the hammer back as far as far back as I could without cocking the actual gun."

Stephanopoulos: "And you're holding onto the hammer?"

Baldwin: "I'm holding on...I'm just showing her, I go, 'How about that? Does that work? Do you see that? Do you see that?' She goes, 'Yeah, that's good.' I like go of the hammer, BANG, the gun goes off. She goes down. I thought to myself, 'Did she faint?' The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not sawn on me until probably 45 minutes to an hour later."

Stephanopoulos: "45 minutes to an hour?"

Baldwin: "No one had any idea until that police officer, that Sheriff's officer said to me, 'this is the slug - .45 caliber slug - they took out of Joel's [the director's] arm. And then the...the kind of insanity-inducing agony of thinking that someone put a live bullet in the gun."

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At another point in the interview:

Stephanopoulos: "Your emotions are clearly so...clearly so 'right there on the surface.' You felt shock, you felt anger, you felt sadness. Do you feel guilt?"

Baldwin: "No....no. I feel that there is...I feel that...that...that...someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."

14 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

I didn't have a chance to watch the interview last night but I saw a short snippet from it online today. Baldwin said he was being instructed by cinematographer Hutchins while holding the (single action) revolver for the camera shot.

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Baldwin: "I said to her, 'Now in this scene I'm going to cock the gun.' And I said, 'Do you want to see that?' and she said, 'Yes.' So I take the gun and I start to cock the gun; I'm not going to pull the trigger."

Stephanopoulos: "So you had this Colt .45, and you just pulled-"

Baldwin: "-the hammer back as far as far back as I could without cocking the actual gun."

Stephanopoulos: "And you're holding onto the hammer?"

Baldwin: "I'm holding on...I'm just showing her, I go, 'How about that? Does that work? Do you see that? Do you see that?' She goes, 'Yeah, that's good.' I like go of the hammer, BANG, the gun goes off. She goes down. I thought to myself, 'Did she faint?' The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not sawn on me until probably 45 minutes to an hour later."

Stephanopoulos: "45 minutes to an hour?"

Baldwin: "No one had any idea until that police officer, that Sheriff's officer said to me, 'this is the slug - .45 caliber slug - they took out of Joel's [the director's] arm. And then the...the kind of insanity-inducing agony of thinking that someone put a live bullet in the gun."

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At another point in the interview:

Stephanopoulos: "Your emotions are clearly so...clearly so 'right there on the surface.' You felt shock, you felt anger, you felt sadness. Do you feel guilt?"

Baldwin: "No....no. I feel that there is...I feel that...that...that...someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me."

Baldwin really trying to establish his innocence.

Looking at what he said there, I read:

-I was just doing what I was told to do by Hutchins. She told me that was how far I was supposed to pulled the hammer back, so I let it go when she told me to. It's not my fault her instructions to me resulted in her death.

-I know so little about guns that I didn't even realized after the bang [and after something struck the camera and broke it, and she fell down and the director fell down] that there had been an actual bullet in the gun. I thought she had fainted.

-Someone else is responsible for this. Not me. Clearly it's not me.
 

2 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Baldwin really trying to establish his innocence.

Looking at what he said there, I read:

-I was just doing what I was told to do by Hutchins. She told me that was how far I was supposed to pulled the hammer back, so I let it go when she told me to. It's not my fault her instructions to me resulted in her death.

-I know so little about guns that I didn't even realized after the bang [and after something struck the camera and broke it, and she fell down and the director fell down] that there had been an actual bullet in the gun. I thought she had fainted.

-Someone else is responsible for this. Not me. Clearly it's not me.
 

Ope...look at that...

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ interview called ‘a calculated public relations move’ — and one ‘that may backfire’

Legal experts are calling Baldwin's interview, amid a pending criminal investigation and multiple lawsuits, a "calculated public relations move" — and one "that may backfire."

During Thursday's ABC News sit-down, Baldwin said he didn't know that a live round — which shouldn't have been on the set — discharged from the antique gun until at least an hour after the Oct. 21 shooting. He thought Hutchins fainted or suffered a heart attack, then — as medics were called in to treat the bleeding Hutchins and director Joel Souza, who was also shot — Baldwin speculated that an errant projectile, like “wadding,” which is occasionally put in prop guns containing blanks, was to blame.

Baldwin said he would "go to any lengths to undo what happened," but he doesn't feel guilt, amid the myriad of emotions he's processing. “I feel that someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me.” He added, "If I felt that I was responsible, I might have killed myself. And I don't say that lightly.”

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That is all a much more eloquent way of saying exactly what I was getting at in the quoted post. And how pointed is the use of the word "backfire" in the article title?!?

9 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Ope...look at that...

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ interview called ‘a calculated public relations move’ — and one ‘that may backfire’

Legal experts are calling Baldwin's interview, amid a pending criminal investigation and multiple lawsuits, a "calculated public relations move" — and one "that may backfire."

During Thursday's ABC News sit-down, Baldwin said he didn't know that a live round — which shouldn't have been on the set — discharged from the antique gun until at least an hour after the Oct. 21 shooting. He thought Hutchins fainted or suffered a heart attack, then — as medics were called in to treat the bleeding Hutchins and director Joel Souza, who was also shot — Baldwin speculated that an errant projectile, like “wadding,” which is occasionally put in prop guns containing blanks, was to blame.

Baldwin said he would "go to any lengths to undo what happened," but he doesn't feel guilt, amid the myriad of emotions he's processing. “I feel that someone is responsible for what happened, and I can't say who that is, but I know it's not me.” He added, "If I felt that I was responsible, I might have killed myself. And I don't say that lightly.”

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That is all a much more eloquent way of saying exactly what I was getting at in the quoted post. And how pointed is the use of the word "backfire" in the article title?!?

He is clearly an idiot for speaking out about anything while he is under investigation but apparently that is par for the course.  And I agree, no way he is helping himself.  The people investigating it will figure out exactly how this latest narrative was put together and I think it may make it more likely he is charged with a criminal offense.  In the end, you can't change stupid.

So I saw a little bit of the interview yesterday. The one striking thing to me was how Baldwin talked about how he had the hammer cocked back and admitted that he let the hammer go and the weapon went off. Well duh! Of course it did, it's a single action revolver. So he claims he didn't pull the trigger, but he let the hammer drop. Same thing. What a fool!

I was watching "Hunt for Red October" this afternoon. When Scott Glenn hands Alec Baldwin the hand gun on the mini-sub, the first thing that popped into my mind was "Are you sure you want to do that?" 

On 12/2/2021 at 11:01 AM, theguru said:

I would imagine he will have opportunities to explain himself in civil court and maybe criminal court. 

Honestly I can't even understand why he is talking about it with anyone outside of his attorneys. 

Agree 100%. I can’t imagine that his attorney thought this interview was a good idea.

'Rust' shooting: Armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed files a lawsuit against ammunition supplier

So apparently Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who was hired as the on-set armorer for the movie, has filed a lawsuit against Seth Kenney and PDQ Arm and Prop, whom she had hired to supply blank/dummy ammunition for the movie. She's saying that the boxes of ammunition that were supplied by PDQ Arm and Prop contained a mixture of blank/dummy rounds and live rounds rather than only blank/dummy rounds she had ordered. Separate from the lawsuit, the LA Times has also reported that per a studio-distributed list of the film's crew that was obtained by the newspaper, Seth Kenney had apparently been involved on the film as an "armorer mentor," which would support claims in Gutierrez Reed's suit that she believes Kenney had direct access to the on-set gun safe as well as the code for opening the safe.

She didn't name Alec Baldwin or assistant director David Halls in the suit but per the quote below from the article, it looks like she is definitely pointing some of the blame in their direction.

The new lawsuit, filed in New Mexico, details the process that Reed followed to keep the guns on the set safe. It says that Reed had reached out to Baldwin to offer further training on the move that he was supposed to do in the scene when the gun went off, but she had not heard back from him. She also alleges that David Halls, the movie's assistant director, had not told her they were about to work on a scene involving a gun, so she wasn't nearby.

So according to the armorer, she was not on set when the shooting occurred, she was told by the AD that they were not working on a scene involving a gun, she had wanted to do further training with Baldwin before the scene took place, and the suit also states that she would have never let Baldwin point the gun at any individuals on set, per standard operating practices.

I'm curious to know who they are claiming loaded the gun, since the armorer was not on set. Even if there were both live and blank/dummy rounds on hand on the set, it's the difference in appearance between the two types of rounds is visibly noticeable. I'd have a hard time seeing how - especially a trained armorer - could accidentally not notice that there are visibly different rounds they are loading into a gun.

So now the family of the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against  the producers, naming Alec Baldwin first on the list. Suit also names assistant director David Halls, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, prop master Sarah Zachry and weapons provider Seth Kenney of PDQ Arm & Prop, whose company was also responsible for providing the blank ammunition for the weapons - which was somehow intermixed with live ammunition.

The initial filings cite cost-cutting measures and "reckless behavior" by Alec Baldwin and several other individuals as primary contributing factors for Hutchins' death, and also noted that the police investigation had multiple interviewees who stated that Baldwin had refused training in the “cross-draw” maneuver he was practicing four feet away from Hutchins when the gun fatally discharged as he pulled it from his holster and pointed it towards the camera and the cinematographer.

The attorney for the surviving family members told the press, "There are many people culpable, but Mr. Baldwin was the person holding the weapon. Alec had the gun in his hand, he shot it, and Halyna was killed.”

There have also been lawsuits filed by several other crew members who witness the shooting for pain and suffering due to emotional distress.

On 2/16/2022 at 1:16 PM, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

So now the family of the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against  the producers, naming Alec Baldwin first on the list. Suit also names assistant director David Halls, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, prop master Sarah Zachry and weapons provider Seth Kenney of PDQ Arm & Prop, whose company was also responsible for providing the blank ammunition for the weapons - which was somehow intermixed with live ammunition.

The initial filings cite cost-cutting measures and "reckless behavior" by Alec Baldwin and several other individuals as primary contributing factors for Hutchins' death, and also noted that the police investigation had multiple interviewees who stated that Baldwin had refused training in the “cross-draw” maneuver he was practicing four feet away from Hutchins when the gun fatally discharged as he pulled it from his holster and pointed it towards the camera and the cinematographer.

The attorney for the surviving family members told the press, "There are many people culpable, but Mr. Baldwin was the person holding the weapon. Alec had the gun in his hand, he shot it, and Halyna was killed.”

There have also been lawsuits filed by several other crew members who witness the shooting for pain and suffering due to emotional distress.

That’s gonna be a hefty settlement.