No one can be trusted. I’m just focusing on how it is affecting my family at this point.

 

This.

Unpopular opinion: Some places in the US need to be sealed off right now.

Testing. It is all about the testing. That has been the failure in the United States. In South Korea they have been very aggressive with testing from the start and that is how they have controlled their numbers. Also, because they have been so aggressive in their testing we can trust their numbers.

 

Meanwhile in the US we are 2 months plus into this and we still are not testing everyone. We are limiting testing to only the serious cases. The good news is we finally are getting the capability in place to provide widespread testing and quick results, within 15 minutes. However, we still have a shortage of supplies and kits to be able to do the testing. That is a terrible failure.

 

I will include this last paragraph in the end game thread. For us to get things restarted we need to have testing readily available for anyone who might be infected. That is step number one in restarting our lives.

If we shutdown all year every year tens of thousands of flu deaths would be preventable too. Same with automobile fatalities. Of course we all know suicide is going to go way up, and that would have preventable too had we not shut down.

 

I’m glad you brought up suicide. My sister is a government employee who works at a Veteran’s Call Center. She specializes in counseling veterans who suffer from PTSD. Last week a co-worker that sits next to her was diagnosed with COVID-19. He’s on a ventilator right now but looks to make a full recovery. They were informed of this on Sunday and naturally their entire office goes into a panic. Half the shift called off that night, including my sister. They were told to self quarantine for 14 days and that they would begin testing everyone in order of their risk of being susceptible to death. They have no clue when he was diagnosed with it nor do they know how long he was working in the building while contagious.

 

Now, my mother lives two doors down from my sister. She’s 71 years old. My sister works night shift so my mom comes down to her house to watch my 13 year old nephew when my sister has to work.

 

My sister received a call this morning to go get her test done. It’ll take 3-5 days for the results to come in.

 

As a result of this one person catching COVID-19 my sister, my mom and my nephew have all been exposed to it that I know of.

 

That isn’t my point though. Now that an entire shift of Veteran Call Center counselors aren’t working who is going to be there for those veterans when they need help? Because of COVID-19 those suicides you mention will absolutely go up because the people who are supposed to be there for them are now sick, or waiting to get sick or waiting to find out they aren’t sick. And keep in mind they didn’t shutdown the call center until they absolutely had to. They wouldn’t even allow employees to work from home. Now you have unmanned call centers for veterans as well as trying to make sure you didn’t kill off half your employees.

 

When the flu or automobile accidents start disabling large groups of people like that then your comparison will be valid. Until then comparing deaths from different causes serves no true value in the conversation.

I’m glad you brought up suicide. My sister is a government employee who works at a Veteran’s Call Center. She specializes in counseling veterans who suffer from PTSD. Last week a co-worker that sits next to her was diagnosed with COVID-19. He’s on a ventilator right now but looks to make a full recovery. They were informed of this on Sunday and naturally their entire office goes into a panic. Half the shift called off that night, including my sister. They were told to self quarantine for 14 days and that they would begin testing everyone in order of their risk of being susceptible to death. They have no clue when he was diagnosed with it nor do they know how long he was working in the building while contagious.

 

Now, my mother lives two doors down from my sister. She’s 71 years old. My sister works night shift so my mom comes down to her house to watch my 13 year old nephew when my sister has to work.

 

My sister received a call this morning to go get her test done. It’ll take 3-5 days for the results to come in.

 

As a result of this one person catching COVID-19 my sister, my mom and my nephew have all been exposed to it that I know of.

 

That isn’t my point though. Now that an entire shift of Veteran Call Center counselors aren’t working who is going to be there for those veterans when they need help? Because of COVID-19 those suicides you mention will absolutely go up because the people who are supposed to be there for them are now sick, or waiting to get sick or waiting to find out they aren’t sick. And keep in mind they didn’t shutdown the call center until they absolutely had to. They wouldn’t even allow employees to work from home. Now you have unmanned call centers for veterans as well as trying to make sure you didn’t kill off half your employees.

 

When the flu or automobile accidents start disabling large groups of people like that then your comparison will be valid. Until then comparing deaths from different causes serves no true value in the conversation.

 

We obviously disagree on what is germane here. We are talking about preventable deaths based on our collective actions.

 

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Testing. It is all about the testing. That has been the failure in the United States. In South Korea they have been very aggressive with testing from the start and that is how they have controlled their numbers. Also, because they have been so aggressive in their testing we can trust their numbers.

 

Meanwhile in the US we are 2 months plus into this and we still are not testing everyone. We are limiting testing to only the serious cases. The good news is we finally are getting the capability in place to provide widespread testing and quick results, within 15 minutes. However, we still have a shortage of supplies and kits to be able to do the testing. That is a terrible failure.

 

I will include this last paragraph in the end game thread. For us to get things restarted we need to have testing readily available for anyone who might be infected. That is step number one in restarting our lives.

 

Speaking about testing, there was a drive-through testing site being set up in downtown Louisville in a lot at the SE corner of Brook and Liberty (probably under the auspices of UL Hospital -- not sure, though). It may have now become operational because this morning I saw a cop car there along with a car that appeared to be from a lab based on its signage. More importantly, there were 2 persons in haz-mat suits under the portable canopy that has been erected on the site.

We obviously disagree on what is germane here. We are talking about preventable deaths based on our collective actions.

 

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

 

Okay.

 

The flu is something we are mindful of every year. Flu shots are free, correct?

 

Automobile accidents are something we are mindful of at all times. Seatbelt use is a law and cars tout their safety records all of the time. Distracted driving is against the law as well.

 

What can we do to be mindful of COVID-19? A contagious disease that can be asymptomatic and doesn’t have a vaccine? How do you stop it from spreading? We have measures for the flu and automobiles and while we know we can’t save everyone at least there are methods to safety. Make COVID-19 safe. How?

Marlowe Stoudamire, a community leader and activist in Detroit as well as a consultant to the NHL, died from CV19 on March 24. He was 43 with no underlying conditions.

I think the point about automobile accidents is valid in that it illustrates that as a society we have accepted that we are ok with a certain amount of deaths that might otherwise be avoidable. For example if the speed limit on the interstate highways was 20 mph, the amount of fatalities would no doubt drop significantly. This would create quite a burden for anyone who would need to travel a significant distance, therefore, we have accepted the greater chance of risk of life with having a higher speed limit.

 

We as a society accept risk knowing that some death may occur because of these choices in many areas. At some point if this goes on for an extended period of time, I think you'll start to see our government make some of these types of choices with regards to the virus as well.

I think the point about automobile accidents is valid in that it illustrates that as a society we have accepted that we are ok with a certain amount of deaths that might otherwise be avoidable. For example if the speed limit on the interstate highways was 20 mph, the amount of fatalities would no doubt drop significantly. This would create quite a burden for anyone who would need to travel a significant distance, therefore, we have accepted the greater chance of risk of life with having a higher speed limit.

 

We as a society accept risk knowing that some death may occur because of these choices in many areas. At some point if this goes on for an extended period of time, I think you'll start to see our government make some of these types of choices with regards to the virus as well.

 

It isn’t valid because efforts are made everyday to keep people as safe as possible in their automobiles. Not to mention automobiles have been around since the early 1900s. Plenty of time to adapt and make them safer. I remember when wearing seatbelts wasn’t a law.

 

COVID-19 hasn’t even been here 6 months and folks are really ready to gamble with their lives so they can go to Malone’s, Keeneland, Red Mile, Gattitown. Y’all have at it. I’ll come back outside in 2021 with my fat bank account when the COVID-19 vaccine is available.

There’s no point in having a conversation if the argument is still “the flu kills x number of people.”

Amazing we are already accepting coronavirus as a fact of life.

 

Hey, here’s another thing that’s going to take 100k or more ADDITIONAL lives a year. Good Luck.

It isn’t valid because efforts are made everyday to keep people as safe as possible in their automobiles. Not to mention automobiles have been around since the early 1900s. Plenty of time to adapt and make them safer. I remember when wearing seatbelts wasn’t a law.

 

COVID-19 hasn’t even been here 6 months and folks are really ready to gamble with their lives so they can go to Malone’s, Keeneland, Red Mile, Gattitown. Y’all have at it. I’ll come back outside in 2021 with my fat bank account when the COVID-19 vaccine is available.

 

Are you still working?

Okay.

 

The flu is something we are mindful of every year. Flu shots are free, correct?

 

Automobile accidents are something we are mindful of at all times. Seatbelt use is a law and cars tout their safety records all of the time. Distracted driving is against the law as well.

 

What can we do to be mindful of COVID-19? A contagious disease that can be asymptomatic and doesn’t have a vaccine? How do you stop it from spreading? We have measures for the flu and automobiles and while we know we can’t save everyone at least there are methods to safety. Make COVID-19 safe. How?

 

You can’t make COVID-19 safe. It’s a virus, it has to run its course. The only thing we can do is mitigate the losses. That’s the current plan.

Are you still working?

 

Yep. Just waiting to see if the safety measures they put in place can keep COVID-19 out of the work place so we can keep stacking these checks. I mean, we all know how much Fortune 500 companies care about their employees and how they all believe their employees are assets and not just numbers.