August 14, 201412 yr Most of those were to search for drugs and SWAT was used because of there was supposed to be a heightened risk to officers due to the presences of weapons. In only 35% of the cases were ANY firearms found. SWAT teams are not being used for the purpose that they were originally intended.So walking in on armed felons 35% of the time is a suitable risk for Law Enforcement to take on with just a couple of officers and no extra protection. I would rather police officers be prepared and supported every time with extra manpower and equipment than risk sending two guys to knock on a door 1 time unprepared for what they may come across. Just this week in po-dunk little ol' Somerset two deputies went to serve an EPO on a man. Just serving papers no risk there right? Man comes to the door holding a pistol that he refused to put down. Luckily for all involved even though he refused to put the gun down he didn't raise it or point it at the deputies. Two deputies several years ago in Jessamine Co went to serve papers on a man, he came out with a semi-auto rifle and killed both of them. Again they were just serving papers, not going to search for drugs. You never know what is going to happen, THERE ARE NO ROUTINE CALLS. A Humvee, Helicopter, Kevlar Helmet, Bullet Proof Vest, Patrol Rifle, Bullet Proof Shield don't violate anyone's rights or break any laws...they are tools used by cops to protect themselves and others.
August 14, 201412 yr So walking in on armed felons 35% of the time is a suitable risk for Law Enforcement to take on with just a couple of officers and no extra protection. I would rather police officers be prepared and supported every time with extra manpower and equipment than risk sending two guys to knock on a door 1 time unprepared for what they may come across. Just this week in po-dunk little ol' Somerset two deputies went to serve an EPO on a man. Just serving papers no risk there right? Man comes to the door holding a pistol that he refused to put down. Luckily for all involved even though he refused to put the gun down he didn't raise it or point it at the deputies. Two deputies several years ago in Jessamine Co went to serve papers on a man, he came out with a semi-auto rifle and killed both of them. Again they were just serving papers, not going to search for drugs. You never know what is going to happen, THERE ARE NO ROUTINE CALLS. A Humvee, Helicopter, Kevlar Helmet, Bullet Proof Vest, Patrol Rifle, Bullet Proof Shield don't violate anyone's rights or break any laws...they are tools used by cops to protect themselves and others. Yeah, I'm having a real hard time with the "only 35%" comment.
August 14, 201412 yr Rand Paul has an op-ed out today in Time on the crisis in Ferguson, MO. Senator Rand Paul on Ferguson: We Must Demilitarize the Police - TIME
August 14, 201412 yr Statement from Missouri Sen. Clair McCaskill on situation in Ferguson, Missouri: "We need to de-militarize this situation - this kind of response by the police has become the problem instead of the solution. I obviously respect law enforcement's work to provide public safety, but my constituents are allowed to have peaceful protests, and the police need to respect that right and protect that right. Today is going to be a new start, we can and need to do better."
August 14, 201412 yr BREAKING: FBI Confirms NEW BLACK PANTHER LEADER Is in StL Area Encouraging Violence Against Cops | The Gateway Pundit
August 14, 201412 yr Statement from Missouri Sen. Clair McCaskill on situation in Ferguson, Missouri: "We need to de-militarize this situation - this kind of response by the police has become the problem instead of the solution. I obviously respect law enforcement's work to provide public safety, but my constituents are allowed to have peaceful protests, and the police need to respect that right and protect that right. Today is going to be a new start, we can and need to do better." She is an idiot. How is looting peaceful?
August 14, 201412 yr She is an idiot. How is looting peaceful? So everyone in Ferguson is looting?? Got it... Apparently you haven't paid attention to the reports of peaceful demonstrators being tear gassed but I guess they had it coming according to you.
August 14, 201412 yr So everyone in Ferguson is looting?? Got it... Apparently you haven't paid attention to the reports of peaceful demonstrators being tear gassed but I guess they had it coming according to you. Not at all what I said. I haven't read a thing about police gassing peaceful demonstrations. I did read that day time demonstrations are peaceful. Night time demonstrations are downright scary. What are the police to do? Also, define peaceful. If a group of people are peacefully demonstrating and somebody throws a malatov cocktail, is it still peaceful? It wasn't everyone, but one in person in the crowd. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/reporters-ryan-reilly-and-wesley-lowery-arrested-ferguson "A peaceful demonstration over the killing of an unarmed black teenager turned violent Wednesday as police in paramilitary fatigues and riot gear tear-gassed dozens of protesters, fired stun grenades into a crowd and arrested reporters in a third night of chaos in the aftermath of the police shooting of Michael Brown." Key words... "Third night of chaos"
August 14, 201412 yr Not at all what I said. I haven't read a thing about police gassing peaceful demonstrations. I did read that day time demonstrations are peaceful. Night time demonstrations are downright scary. What are the police to do? Also, define peaceful. If a group of people are peacefully demonstrating and somebody throws a malatov cocktail, is it still peaceful? It wasn't everyone, but one in person in the crowd. Ferguson police use tear gas on protesters, arrest at least 2 reporters | MSNBC "A peaceful demonstration over the killing of an unarmed black teenager turned violent Wednesday as police in paramilitary fatigues and riot gear tear-gassed dozens of protesters, fired stun grenades into a crowd and arrested reporters in a third night of chaos in the aftermath of the police shooting of Michael Brown." Key words... "Third night of chaos" Is it chaos that reporters are sitting in a McDonalds reporting on the Ferguson situation? Or does it only become chaotic when militarized police officers come inside, demand everyone leave, slam a reporter into a Coke machine or window, and then arrest them?
August 14, 201412 yr Is it chaos that reporters are sitting in a McDonalds reporting on the Ferguson situation? Or does it only become chaotic when militarized police officers come inside, demand everyone leave, slam a reporter into a Coke machine or window, and then arrest them? Must have missed this article. I would love to read it. Please link it. This kid died and it is a shame. I am hopeful that the truth comes out and punishments are handed out if necessary. I do not know what happened. Neither do you. I do have some experience with people who are "eye witnesses" but do not tell the truth. All I know is that looting has happened, Black Panthers are preaching for violence against police officers and all protests are not peaceful. The gassing did not happen before the looting. That is a fact.
August 14, 201412 yr Yeah, I'm having a real hard time with the "only 35%" comment. That's lower than the % of US households that have guns in general. It is estimated that 39% of US households have guns. So should SWAT be used to serve every warrant?
August 14, 201412 yr Must have missed this article. I would love to read it. Please link it. This kid died and it is a shame. I am hopeful that the truth comes out and punishments are handed out if necessary. I do not know what happened. Neither do you. I do have some experience with people who are "eye witnesses" but do not tell the truth. All I know is that looting has happened, Black Panthers are preaching for violence against police officers and all protests are not peaceful. The gassing did not happen before the looting. That is a fact. 1st Bold: Quoted below for your viewing pleasure. 2nd Bold: You don't have to tell me about eye witnesses lying, I am aware it happens. With that said, you don't know which side I am on with this situation (and quite frankly I don't either due to the lack of facts) but I also don't believe the police need to be militarized like they are in Ferguson and I do believe they are making matters worse. 3rd Bold: Looting happening before the gassing means nothing if it's not the looters being gassed so I have no idea what point you're trying to make with this one. Read this: Huffington Post Reporter Arrested In Ferguson EVERY cop there needs to be held responsible. This isn't just ONE bad cop. In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest - The Washington Post
August 14, 201412 yr Agreed! But other officers need to make their voices heard, and the leadership, city/county/state officials and department heads need to be more open and go after these few bad apples, and not make excuses for them. Then, and only then, will the few bad cops or ignorant cops wake up and see that they can't hide anymore, that any wrong doing will be taken care of swiftly and at the fullest extent of the law. Like I said before. I'm all for video. Easiest way to weed people out.
August 14, 201412 yr 1st Bold: Quoted below for your viewing pleasure. 2nd Bold: You don't have to tell me about eye witnesses lying, I am aware it happens. With that said, you don't know which side I am on with this situation (and quite frankly I don't either due to the lack of facts) but I also don't believe the police need to be militarized like they are in Ferguson and I do believe they are making matters worse. 3rd Bold: Looting happening before the gassing means nothing if it's not the looters being gassed so I have no idea what point you're trying to make with this one. Thanks for the reading. Did they refuse to leave? The account is completely one sided. I have a hard time believing the reporter was following direction and minding his own business and then was arrested for doing nothing. Maybe that did happen, I just have a hard time believing it. I believe the police in Ferguson are in a tough situation. They do not know who is going to be peaceful and who is not. Who is a threat and who is not. There is no way to tell the difference. I am not on a particular side. I tend to side with police in situations like this because it is their job maintain peace and order. You may be right that the militarization of the police may have made it worse. I don't know. I do know that if I am a police officer in that situation, I would want to be militarized. An angry crowd can get unruly very quickly and this crowd has proven that.
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