August 14, 201412 yr That's a common misnomer, it depends on which program they come from: It is clear that local law enforcement agencies use DHS funds ostensibly obtained for the purpose of fighting terrorism to conduct ordinary law enforcement activities. In New Hampshire, for example, three police departments—in Concord, Keene, and Manchester (cities that are separated from each other by approximately 30 miles)—each used DHS grants to fund the purchase of an armored BearCat (the amount of grants received by these agencies ranged from $215,000 to $286,000). Justifications offered for these grants included prevention, protection, response, and recovery activities pertaining to weapons of mass destruction and the threat of terrorism That isn't one vehicle shared by 3 nearby cites, each city got the funding for one. They cost taxpayers at least $615,000. What ordinary law enforcement activities have they used them for? Are they patrolling the streets on a normal day in it? That's ordinary law enforcement activities. What exactly is a bear cat? Are rocket launchers attached or is your issue the look? And if you paid attention to detail...you'd see that I said usually. Usually they're cheap or free. Edited August 14, 201412 yr by halfback20
August 14, 201412 yr What ordinary law enforcement activities have they used them for? Are they patrolling the streets on a normal day in it? That's ordinary law enforcement activities. What exactly is a bear cat? Are rocket launchers attacked or is your issue the look? And if you paid attention to detail...you'd see that I said usually. Usually they're cheap or free. My issue is that they are armored personnel carriers. They are being obtained with DHS money under the guise of protecting us from terrorism and they're not being used for that. The Ohio State campus police got funding for one that they use on game days to "provide a police presence." They are being used in unnecessary SWAT raids. You can check out my thread on that instead of discussing it here. And I did pay attention to where you said usually. I said that is a common misnomer. A LOT of these vehicles are bought new and distributed to agencies. A Humvee like was listed earlier was likely surplus but the BearCats and other vehicles are not.
August 14, 201412 yr My issue is that they are armored personnel carriers. They are being obtained with DHS money under the guise of protecting us from terrorism and they're not being used for that. The Ohio State campus police got funding for one that they use on game days to "provide a police presence." They are being used in unnecessary SWAT raids. You can check out my thread on that instead of discussing it here. And I did pay attention to where you said usually. I said that is a common misnomer. A LOT of these vehicles are bought new and distributed to agencies. A Humvee like was listed earlier was likely surplus but the BearCats and other vehicles are not. What qualifies you to say the swat raids are unnecessary? Serious question. I'd argue swat raids are not ordinary police activities though the OSU football game thing is kinda weird.
August 14, 201412 yr I want to apologize to JD, HB and Rocket for including them in my rant, as it seemingly came off as I put them in the realm of the bad cops that I am beyond frustrated with. I didn't mean it to put you in that category, but you took it that way and I apologize. My point was simply all involved need to do better, and right now that seems to be lost in the process. I'm out... What are you doing to change the frightening trend? Are you quick to call out an officer that spews a racist remark when "the boys" are off duty? Let me guess. You've never been in a situation where such things have ever been said between you and all the choir boys you work with. No offense GT, I didn't take anything the wrong way. You assumed I'm a police officer, then you accused my friends of being racist, and finally you answered the question for me before hitting enter. You judged me and the people you created in your head that I work with knowing nothing at all. I guess a half apology accusing me of taking it the wrong way is better than I expected. With that said, I'm done here as well. You feel like responding I'd be more than happy to discuss in PM. Going to do my best to stay out of this forum from now on.:lol2: I've had my fill of controversial issues for a while.
August 14, 201412 yr What qualifies you to say the swat raids are unnecessary? Serious question. I'd argue swat raids are not ordinary police activities though the OSU football game thing is kinda weird. Read the ACLU article. 79% of SWAT raids over a two+ year time period that were analyzed were to execute search warrants. That is an everyday police activity. Most of those were to search for drugs and SWAT was used because of there was supposed to be a heightened risk to officers due to the presences of weapons. In only 35% of the cases were ANY firearms found. SWAT teams are not being used for the purpose that they were originally intended.
August 14, 201412 yr This story, this country, this world just makes me :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
August 14, 201412 yr 1. To say I have a dislike of cops is 100% slander, and the farthest thing from the truth. 2. I have already said your accusation on that front has you blocked from any further response. Good day... Funny, all the bolded proves you wrong. but as long as you feel your right in your mind I guess thats fine.
August 14, 201412 yr Check out @tayhlordaniele's Tweet: https://twitter.com/tayhlordaniele/status/499753477858660353...saw this on instagram last night about a young lady shot in the head by police.
August 14, 201412 yr Check out @tayhlordaniele's Tweet: https://twitter.com/tayhlordaniele/status/499753477858660353...saw this on instagram last night about a young lady shot in the head by police. Your link doesn't work. Says page not found.
August 14, 201412 yr Your link doesn't work. Says page not found. Click on it, then remove the "...saw" from the address bar. It should work then. Pretty crazy stuff.
August 14, 201412 yr That's a common misnomer, it depends on which program they come from: It is clear that local law enforcement agencies use DHS funds ostensibly obtained for the purpose of fighting terrorism to conduct ordinary law enforcement activities. In New Hampshire, for example, three police departments—in Concord, Keene, and Manchester (cities that are separated from each other by approximately 30 miles)—each used DHS grants to fund the purchase of an armored BearCat (the amount of grants received by these agencies ranged from $215,000 to $286,000). Justifications offered for these grants included prevention, protection, response, and recovery activities pertaining to weapons of mass destruction and the threat of terrorism That isn't one vehicle shared by 3 nearby cites, each city got the funding for one. They cost taxpayers at least $615,000. Those are the Bearcats like what was seen being used during the Boston Bomber hunt. Those are pretty much restricted to either large population areas or departments with a lot of cash that can afford them. Extra Humvees which have been purchased through military contracts and no longer needed due to draw downs around the world of US Military are the vehicles given to local departments. Our PD received a free one, it's not mine resistant, doesn't have machine guns mounted but it would be of great use in the case of a natural disaster.
August 14, 201412 yr Situations like these are distorting. For blacks it begins to cloud judgement and unite us against seemingly the wrong enemy. The racial tension is wrongfully heightened. It's so sad.
August 14, 201412 yr Your link doesn't work. Says page not found. https://twitter.com/tayhlordaniele/status/499753477858660353
August 14, 201412 yr The sad thing is so many officers do wonderful things for their communities and no one ever reports on it and it never goes viral. 1,000 good deeds, volunteering of those officers to take poor children Christmas shopping, fishing, coming to school on their own time to eat lunch with a kid who is bullied. Giving scared kids in violent homes stuffed animals, etc. No one cares about that stuff. "Just part of the job". Hundreds of thousands police officers out there. There's a lot of good people in this profession that open their hearts and homes to the people who need them. Sensational journalists don't care. Conspiracy theorists don't care. All anyone cares about is singling out the few dirty cops out there. A few officers make bad shoots, then it's all about all cops are blood thirsty. A VERY small amount of departments have SWAT teams. The majority of which seldom get used and I mean 1 or 2 times a year. A few agencies in larger areas deploy them, then it becomes ALL police are becoming "militarized". I spend most every day responding to drunks, theft calls and arguments. I don't see anything militaristic about talking a drunk person into going to bed, or searching for a missing kid or elderly people with dementia , or directing traffic , or talking to social services or any other thing you encounter. The job is unpredictable. It's hard. A constant tight wire act of having the vast majority of the public not liking you without ever knowing you. And then you have the parents who tell their kids "I'm gonna have him get you if you don't mind." No ma'am, you discipline your kid and be a parent so they grow up to be productive members of society. All those parents are doing are perpetuating the cycle of people not trusting police. The stickers and rubber band bracelets only go so far in trying to build a good police relationship with the kids. Just frustrating that a lot of good officers who are wonderful, caring and sympathetic people and yes they are people are lumped in with an officer or officers hundreds of miles away. A few bad apples ruin it for everyone else... I love this! http://news.yahoo.com/video/kansas-city-police-officer-loses-084014581.html
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