Is that actually true for Schneider?

 

Honest Question because I didn't know that... if Schneider had the success he did at NCC with not a single kid ever transferring into his program or living outside/moving into Newport that would be am impressive feat and certainly worth mention.

 

Not sure any other coach on the list could make that claim to be honest except maybe some of the real old school guys.

 

The NCC guys would need to help me out, but there weren't many if any kids playing for NCC that weren't his feeder kids. With that said lets not get too crazy with Bob love. He was not a great coach by any stretch.

 

1st bolded.......would be TRUE.

 

2nd bolded.......345-183-2 in 44 years at the helm says alot.

1st bolded.......would be TRUE.

 

2nd bolded.......345-183-2 in 44 years at the helm says alot.

 

It says he just missed that elusive 200 loss club. A few more games versus the birds and he would have got it. :jump:

Gotta put on my Trinity hat and throw Dennis Lampley into consideration.

 

5 titles and the states longest winning streak, 50.

Here someone many wont think about, Coach Scroggins at Central 5-0 in state title games and beat Coach Haywood 4 times.

 

 

 

http://khsaa.org/records/football/pastwinners.pdf

I know someone threw the name out earlier, but it would be hard not to have Mike Glaser up there.

 

What about Bob Redman?

It says he just missed that elusive 200 loss club. A few more games versus the birds and he would have got it. :jump:

 

To be fair on Schneider he spent 5 years in the GCL where his teams had losing records against Ohio GCL teams and winning records against KY teams.

 

But he would also be the first to tell you he should not be on a Mt Rushmore for coaching football.

Here is a list of coaching records:

 

http://khsaa.org/records/football/footballtop10coaching.pdf

 

Looking over that list and not thinking about it a lot, I'll go with:

 

Glaser

Harp

Mueller

Yeagle (he is my "John Wooden" selection, the rings get him on the mt.)

Beatty

 

Yeah, I know it is 5. Pick one to be the Crazy Horse selection.

Here is a list of coaching records:

 

http://khsaa.org/records/football/footballtop10coaching.pdf

 

Looking over that list and not thinking about it a lot, I'll go with:

 

Glaser

Harp

Mueller

Yeagle (he is my "John Wooden" selection, the rings get him on the mt.)

Beatty

 

Yeah, I know it is 5. Pick one to be the Crazy Horse selection.

You didn't look very good....Jack Morris 254-50 record and if he had coached as long as most on that list his record would have been outa sight. He also was the Kentucky coach of the decade in the 70's and 80's.

You didn't look very good....Jack Morris 254-50 record and if he had coached as long as most on that list his record would have been outa sight. He also was the Kentucky coach of the decade in the 70's and 80's.

Morris' record is incredible. 80% winning percentage, 9 title games, winning 4.

 

I would love to know how many times Mayfield reached the semifinals under Coach Morris.

 

If you take an honest, hard look, it is very difficult to leave him out of the top 4

Schneider and Jack Morris both very successful coaches and their records prove that out. One interesting similarity is that they both benefitted from a substantially larger base of actual and potential football talent that did not bump their school up to a larger school competitve class.

 

Schneider essentially had all of the Campbell County Catholic football talent but not the numbers counting against him because a sizable amount of the nonfootball students in the central and especially southern end of county would have attended Brossart. Would the perception of Newport Central Catholic be different if the name of the school was Campbell County Catholic which more accurately reflected its football team during the Schneider era as I expect that the vast majority of the football talent over that time was from the rest of the county (Ft. Thomas, Highland Heights, Southgate, Cold Spring, Alexandria, etc. and not Newport).

 

Similarly, Morris coached at Mayfield at a time when the Graves County school system was not consolidated and consisted of 7 or 8 small schools none of which fielded a football team so if you lived in Graves County and wanted to play football Mayfield was the only game in town (er, the county). So it similarly was able to pull football talent from a 6A size talent pool base while being able to play primarily in the smallest (or occasionally, next to smallest) class.

 

Again, both successful coaches and nothing improper about taking advantage of the beneficial circumstances applicable to their situation but both enjoyed meaningful competitive advantages that contributed significantly to their success. And because tradition and legacy of players (sons, grandsons and other family members) is so much more important in football than most sports because of the need for both elite talent and numbers the advantage built over that earlier period has helped sustain continuing success in both those programs.

 

Perhaps some other coaches listed above have enjoyed this type or similar advantages (other discussions on BGP over the years have referenced drawing talent from other nearby states or other areas not part of the school district ) and as also discussed on BGP and other message boards over the years ad nauseum probably most of the coaches have enjoyed some type of competitive advantage (private school, exceptional community support, etc.) that have been an important contributing factor in their success but that does not diminish the accomplishments of any of them but does perhaps add some helpful perspective.

Morris' record is incredible. 80% winning percentage, 9 title games, winning 4.

 

I would love to know how many times Mayfield reached the semifinals under Coach Morris.

 

If you take an honest, hard look, it is very difficult to leave him out of the top 4

 

No harder than several others though, that's what makes this so darn difficult.

^^^

 

Interesting information I never knew.

 

As I eluded to in an earlier post I think it is fairly safe to assume that most notable coaches on these lists have benefited with what I like to call "talent pool flow". The only exceptions I wold think would be the more old school guys back when communication and transportation were a lot more limited. I could go on an entire diatribe about the subject of talent pool flow and how it has evolved over the years to the present state thanks to advancements in communication, social media, transportation, and a general cultural shift from parents.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, but people love to "cast stones" and criticize programs who seemingly benefit from it. BGP has had a long standing rule about talking about the "r word" and it is a by product of this. Certain programs... very successful programs... simply sell themselves and as a by-product parents and kids want to play for these programs and these coaches. The idea of "talent pool flow" simply inherits that for any given area there is a given talent pool level that is spread over the the schools that are geographically accessible. That talent pool for the most part will conform to what is the "most convenient" path and go the traditional route of people living in a single spot and attending the school district that it is assigned where it is the most convenient for parents and kids.You will then have another fraction that will not conform to lines and will choose the option they feel is best for their kids. In today's culture I think this faction is growing at a rapid pace...and the influx comes both from parents and the kids.

 

This is why certain areas of the State will always have the "Have's and Have Not's". That's why as one team seemingly trends up, another team seemingly trends down in the same geographic area. Whatever teams captures the momentum, prestige, and the best opportunity is the one who sees the talent pool tilt in their direction.

 

Once again I reitterate there is nothing wrong, illegal, or unfair about this... it is just in the HS Football culture like no other people love to validate their own interest by assigning labels or negativity toward others.

 

Tying it back to the topic at hand... when talent pool flows to a program like the ones associated with the coaches in this thread it is a testament to that coach. It means they have made their program the pinnacle and the best opportunity in the eyes of parents and kids. You don't get that by being a bad coach. The strength of programs begin and end with the man in charge.

Edited July 25, 201412 yr by ATLCat

Schneider and Jack Morris both very successful coaches and their records prove that out. One interesting similarity is that they both benefitted from a substantially larger base of actual and potential football talent that did not bump their school up to a larger school competitve class.

 

Schneider essentially had all of the Campbell County Catholic football talent but not the numbers counting against him because a sizable amount of the nonfootball students in the central and especially southern end of county would have attended Brossart. Would the perception of Newport Central Catholic be different if the name of the school was Campbell County Catholic which more accurately reflected its football team during the Schneider era as I expect that the vast majority of the football talent over that time was from the rest of the county (Ft. Thomas, Highland Heights, Southgate, Cold Spring, Alexandria, etc. and not Newport).

 

Similarly, Morris coached at Mayfield at a time when the Graves County school system was not consolidated and consisted of 7 or 8 small schools none of which fielded a football team so if you lived in Graves County and wanted to play football Mayfield was the only game in town (er, the county). So it similarly was able to pull football talent from a 6A size talent pool base while being able to play primarily in the smallest (or occasionally, next to smallest) class.

 

Again, both successful coaches and nothing improper about taking advantage of the beneficial circumstances applicable to their situation but both enjoyed meaningful competitive advantages that contributed significantly to their success. And because tradition and legacy of players (sons, grandsons and other family members) is so much more important in football than most sports because of the need for both elite talent and numbers the advantage built over that earlier period has helped sustain continuing success in both those programs.

 

Perhaps some other coaches listed above have enjoyed this type or similar advantages (other discussions on BGP over the years have referenced drawing talent from other nearby states or other areas not part of the school district ) and as also discussed on BGP and other message boards over the years ad nauseum probably most of the coaches have enjoyed some type of competitive advantage (private school, exceptional community support, etc.) that have been an important contributing factor in their success but that does not diminish the accomplishments of any of them but does perhaps add some helpful perspective.

 

Very well done. :ylsuper:

So we're working on the Mt. Rushmore of coaches....but who get's the Crazy Horse Memorial built after them? You know...the memorial that gets built to honor someone who was a great leader who ended up being defeated by the opposition?

 

I think a case can be made that Mike Glaser belongs on both...

I think a case can be made that Mike Glaser belongs on both...

 

I wouldn't be inclined to put Glaser on the list - doing less with more seems to fit.

 

I was at lunch with someone who suggested for a guy like Glaser the baseball sabermetric WAR would be appropriate. IMO just about any average coach in the state of KY could have been at helm of St. X and had an equal amount of success; however, a under a really quality coach St. X's program under Glaser might have looked more like Trinity under Beatty. All speculation of course, but speculation is what drives BGP.

 

Same lunch buddy also suggested that the real measure of Trinity isn't the wins or incredible run he has been on in KY, but how he has elevated the Trinity program to be an even peer to other similarly structured regional powers (Ensworth/Brentwood/MBA in Nashville, Chatard/Cathedral in Indy, GCL/Colerain in Cincy, etc.). You don't have to go back far to see both Trinity taking a lot more lumps than they delivered to these schools (or at least it seemed that way).