Well I was way wrong on this one. Congrats CCH! Should be a good one tomorrow.

Your right about one thing - you'll hear from me about the third foul on Pangallo. You can post it as many times as you want, and use all capital letters as many times as you want. That was a horrible call.

 

Ruthsatz jumped 2 feet forward into Pangallo. Zac did leave his feet, but he did not jump toward Nick. Probably a no call, but surely not a foul on Zac.

 

Pangallo has to go the bench with his third foul and Ruthsatz goes to the line for 3 FT's. Not the reason for the outcome but changed the way the game proceeded from that point.

 

Defense has a right to their position, whether on the ground or in the air. Offense can't just run them over. Ruthsatz and Schult got cheap fouls called all season on their opponents, this one was costly. Pangallo went straight up. He's entitled to that position. Ruthsatz even took a step into him. And it could've been the difference. Ncc may not have had to foul at the end. But there are a lot of what "ifs". Can't just focus on missed shots. Have to look at missed defensive assignments, guards getting back on defense and giving up layups, second chance points, etc. I don't like when people point fingers at stats at the end of a season, it's a time when a team should stick together and remember the great season they had, not blame anyone for one loss. Points aren't the only thing that wins a game. Those who know really know basketball, know this. Team win, team loss.

Your right about one thing - you'll hear from me about the third foul on Pangallo. You can post it as many times as you want, and use all capital letters as many times as you want. That was a horrible call.

 

Ruthsatz jumped 2 feet forward into Pangallo. Zac did leave his feet, but he did not jump toward Nick. Probably a no call, but surely not a foul on Zac.

 

Pangallo has to go the bench with his third foul and Ruthsatz goes to the line for 3 FT's. Not the reason for the outcome but changed the way the game proceeded from that point.

 

This rule is at every level and players jump into the defender at every level. Not saying it is a good rule but until it is changed it is the correct call.

Congrats to the Colonels for getting the job done. :thumb:

 

NewCath has nothing to be ashamed of, they had one hell of a season. It's a "tough pill to swallow", but you made all NewCath fans proud with the overall body of work that this season was. Although you didn't make it to Rupp, stand tall and proud of the accomplishments you achieved this season. :ylsuper:

Stating obvious but free throws decided game.

Defense has a right to their position, whether on the ground or in the air. Offense can't just run them over. [\QUOTE]

 

so by that logic, offensive player is on his way to a the basket; defensive player is in front of him and jumps up to block the shot; offensive player jumps up and toward the rim and the two collide. by your logic, the offensive player jumped forward into the defender ... so that's a charge? Nope. good offensive players work to get the defender up in the air and then proceed into them with a shot attempt. it's a defensive foul. don't leave your feet defender.

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Defense has a right to their position, whether on the ground or in the air. Offense can't just run them over.

 

so by that logic, offensive player is on his way to a the basket; defensive player is in front of him and jumps up to block the shot; offensive player jumps up and toward the rim and the two collide. by your logic, the offensive player jumped forward into the defender ... so that's a charge? Nope. good offensive players work to get the defender up in the air and then proceed into them with a shot attempt. it's a defensive foul. don't leave your feet defender.

 

I think the contention here is that the offensive player was not "on the way" to anywhere. But once the defender went for a shot fake the offensive player then launched or lunged or initiated the contact by moving into the defender. The contention in this case was if the offensive player did not move forward and instead simply shot the ball there would have been no contact.

Wasn't there. Didn't see it. But the only person in this thread who is an official is the only person saying that call was the correct one. I'm sure that's only coincidental though.

Defense has a right to their position, whether on the ground or in the air. Offense can't just run them over.

 

so by that logic, offensive player is on his way to a the basket; defensive player is in front of him and jumps up to block the shot; offensive player jumps up and toward the rim and the two collide. by your logic, the offensive player jumped forward into the defender ... so that's a charge? Nope. good offensive players work to get the defender up in the air and then proceed into them with a shot attempt. it's a defensive foul. don't leave your feet defender.

 

By rule the defender has the right to go straight up and down. It should be a no call. Saw this type of play in 1st region yesterday with no call. The offense created all the contact.

Wasn't there. Didn't see it. But the only person in this thread who is an official is the only person saying that call was the correct one. I'm sure that's only coincidental though.

 

Officials do not always make the right call.

 

I think the contention here is that the offensive player was not "on the way" to anywhere. But once the defender went for a shot fake the offensive player then launched or lunged or initiated the contact by moving into the defender. The contention in this case was if the offensive player did not move forward and instead simply shot the ball there would have been no contact.

 

I understand, but the defender, by leaving his feet, forfeits any claim to establishing position. The offensive player is allowed to attempt his shot and even move toward the basket in that attempt without penalty. There simply is no situation, when the defender leaves his feet ... no matter how far forward the shooter jumps, where it's an offensive foul.

Move the shot to right under the basket, the defender jumps straight up and the offensive kid goes up and toward the basket .... it's a defensive foul. Same situation just farther from the rim. It's really not a point of contention at all. That's a defensive foul. Only exception is if an official deems a "flagrant" by the offensive kid.

Officials do not always make the right call.

 

Even in hindsight? I'd say they know the rules a lot better than the rest of us, by and large.

Officials do not always make the right call.

 

I'm going to side with the official before I side with the coaches and referees in the stands.

 

 

Just saying........

Even in hindsight? I'd say they know the rules a lot better than the rest of us, by and large.

 

They probably do know the rules better than most but the defender has the right to go straight up and down.

I'm going to side with the official before I side with the coaches and referees in the stands.

 

 

Just saying........

 

For the most part I agree with you but officials do make mistakes.

 

Defender has the right to go straight up and down