Wasn't there. Didn't see it. But the only person in this thread who is an official is the only person saying that call was the correct one. I'm sure that's only coincidental though.

 

How do you know Clyde is the only official on this site? I respect Clyde and his insight. He definitely brings a lot to the table. Much appreciated. Thanks Clyde. Doesn't mean he's the only one with valuable knowledge on the subject.

 

I understand, but the defender, by leaving his feet, forfeits any claim to establishing position. The offensive player is allowed to attempt his shot and even move toward the basket in that attempt without penalty. There simply is no situation, when the defender leaves his feet ... no matter how far forward the shooter jumps, where it's an offensive foul.

Move the shot to right under the basket, the defender jumps straight up and the offensive kid goes up and toward the basket .... it's a defensive foul. Same situation just farther from the rim. It's really not a point of contention at all. That's a defensive foul. Only exception is if an official deems a "flagrant" by the offensive kid.

 

 

The defender has the right to go straight up and down. It may not be called an offensive foul but a no call is better.

For the most part I agree with you but officials do make mistakes.

 

Defender has the right to go straight up and down

 

There's way more to this game to discuss than this, but your point is simply wrong. No where in the rule book is that stated.

How do you know Clyde is the only official on this site?

That's not at all what I said.

There's way more to this game to discuss than this, but your point is simply wrong. No where in the rule book is that stated.

 

Rule of verticality

There's way more to this game to discuss than this, but your point is simply wrong. No where in the rule book is that stated.

 

So an offensive player can do whatever he wants if a defender leaves his feet?

 

I understand, but the defender, by leaving his feet, forfeits any claim to establishing position. The offensive player is allowed to attempt his shot and even move toward the basket in that attempt without penalty. There simply is no situation, when the defender leaves his feet ... no matter how far forward the shooter jumps, where it's an offensive foul.

Move the shot to right under the basket, the defender jumps straight up and the offensive kid goes up and toward the basket .... it's a defensive foul. Same situation just farther from the rim. It's really not a point of contention at all. That's a defensive foul. Only exception is if an official deems a "flagrant" by the offensive kid.

 

Absolutely not. A defender has the right to jump straight up. As Zack did.

From a Basketball Officials site:

 

When taking a charge, does the defensive player have to be still?

Basketball rules state that if a defensive player is in a legal defensive stance or position, the defensive player has the right to move in order to maintain his legal positioning. A charging call can be made even if the defensive player has one or both feet off of the ground when the offensive player makes contact with the defensive player. The basketball rule of “verticality” applies here. If a defensive player jumps straight up to block a shot and the offensive player jumps into and creates contact with the defender, an offensive charging call could be made.

How do you know Clyde is the only official on this site? I respect Clyde and his insight. He definitely brings a lot to the table. Much appreciated. Thanks Clyde. Doesn't mean he's the only one with valuable knowledge on the subject.

 

 

He said in the thread..not on the site.

From a Basketball Officials site:

 

When taking a charge, does the defensive player have to be still?

Basketball rules state that if a defensive player is in a legal defensive stance or position, the defensive player has the right to move in order to maintain his legal positioning. A charging call can be made even if the defensive player has one or both feet off of the ground when the offensive player makes contact with the defensive player. The basketball rule of “verticality” applies here. If a defensive player jumps straight up to block a shot and the offensive player jumps into and creates contact with the defender, an offensive charging call could be made.

 

Thanks for posting. I was trying to cut and paste but was having trouble doing so with iPad.

I wasn't at the game but have seen thousands of BBall games in my life and it has always been called a foul on the defender when a shooter goes up and into the defender who leaves his feet. Is it fair? No, but it's always been that way. Nick has made a living off of leaning into defenders to create fouls, it's what he does and when he drives the lane he makes a living off of those calls.

 

People may not like it, but it is what it is and will always be called on the defender when a fouls is called.

From a Basketball Officials site:

 

When taking a charge, does the defensive player have to be still?

Basketball rules state that if a defensive player is in a legal defensive stance or position, the defensive player has the right to move in order to maintain his legal positioning. A charging call can be made even if the defensive player has one or both feet off of the ground when the offensive player makes contact with the defensive player. The basketball rule of “verticality” applies here. If a defensive player jumps straight up to block a shot and the offensive player jumps into and creates contact with the defender, an offensive charging call could be made.

 

I found the same site...it's an explanation of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. So, Sweet16, I am wrong regarding the rule book. My apologies.

 

The actual rule to which you refer does say that the defender has to keep himself and his arms straight up or he risks conceding his "rule of verticality" right. It's up the official to figure that out I guess. I'll stand by my point, however, that the way I explained my point previously is the way the game has been taught for many moons ... and I've been around a lot of basketball and never seen it called on offensive player. But again, technically, your are correct and I was wrong. Good call!

I wasn't at the game but have seen thousands of BBall games in my life and it has always been called a foul on the defender when a shooter goes up and into the defender who leaves his feet. Is it fair? No, but it's always been that way. Nick has made a living off of leaning into defenders to create fouls, it's what he does and when he drives the lane he makes a living off of those calls.

 

People may not like it, but it is what it is and will always be called on the defender when a fouls is called.

 

I will say in the 1st region you see that call made less each year. If the offense creates the contact and the defender is straight up or even jumps straight up then the call on the defensive player is not getting called as much.

I will say in the 1st region you see that call made less each year. If the offense creates the contact and the defender is straight up or even jumps straight up then the call on the defensive player is not getting called as much.

Agreed, but when the whistle is blown as I said, it will be called defensive foul just about all the time.

Two years running now with an all 35th district final. Pretty strong.

 

Just reading the thread, that's at least 4 out of the last 8 years if I recall correctly

2007

2008

2013

2014