With consolidation issues causing alignment headaches in some part of the state, I'd like to see the KHSAA do away with district tournaments and have one region tournament.

 

1.) Seed the tournament. You are required to play every team in the region at least once with that record to determine seeding. You can play a team more than once for rivalry purposes, but only the first game counts toward the seeding.

 

2.) Top four seeds get a bye so there is no 1 v. 16 seeded games.

 

3.) The region teams split the tournament proceeds evenly

 

4.) Sites can continue to rotate per the current region tourney site agreement (or) First two rounds are at the highest seed's home court and those two teams split the gate. You could implement a neutral court for the quarterfinals, SF, and finals.

 

5.) Have the regular season end on the Tuesday of the final week. Start the region tournament on Saturday so that you can play 6 or so first round games on that Saturday and continue play Monday, Tuesday, etc.

 

6.) This makes the region tournament a true weeklong event

 

 

Whether the KHSAA wants to admit it or not, with the trend of consolidation becoming more common, it's time to class all sports in Kentucky to include basketball

 

 

The trend was common in the 60s and 70s. There aren't many possible consolidations left.

There are many possible consolidations left in Northern Ky. Hopefully it will not happen but ther amount of independent districts still in that area is almost mind boggling. In Campbell County alone you have 6 independent districts.

There are lots of independants scattered around the state that could still be consolidated. For example, while schools such as Paris and Bourbon most likely will not consolidate in any near time line, the "potential" is still there. The same could be said in lots of counties. Seed the districts by only counting one game among the district teams and it will make for a better regional. The regular season games then have more meaning and the best teams most likely get to the regional. Why should a 5-25 get to the regional just because of the luck of a draw, make them earn it by getting a big win over a better team, and the win and the trip to the region will be even more special.

For those complaining about ugly regular-season games if seeding is mandated: The weak team can always take a forfeit the way Williamsburg did in protest of South Laurel moving into their district during the realignment from five or so years ago.

 

And I will continue to disagree wholeheartedly on the need for classifying basketball. The numbers game isn't as big a factor as in football and track, so that's not really a valid comparison. Thank God for Shelby Valley winning the Sweet 16 this past year, because it proves that your school doesn't have to have 1,000 students to be competitive on a statewide basis.

For those complaining about ugly regular-season games if seeding is mandated: The weak team can always take a forfeit the way Williamsburg did in protest of South Laurel moving into their district during the realignment from five or so years ago.

 

And I will continue to disagree wholeheartedly on the need for classifying basketball. The numbers game isn't as big a factor as in football and track, so that's not really a valid comparison. Thank God for Shelby Valley winning the Sweet 16 this past year, because it proves that your school doesn't have to have 1,000 students to be competitive on a statewide basis.

 

:thumb::thumb:

For those complaining about ugly regular-season games if seeding is mandated: The weak team can always take a forfeit the way Williamsburg did in protest of South Laurel moving into their district during the realignment from five or so years ago.

 

And I will continue to disagree wholeheartedly on the need for classifying basketball. The numbers game isn't as big a factor as in football and track, so that's not really a valid comparison. Thank God for Shelby Valley winning the Sweet 16 this past year, because it proves that your school doesn't have to have 1,000 students to be competitive on a statewide basis.

 

Does Shelby Vally compete year in and year out, or were they a one hit wonder? Are they in an open enrollment county where players can be channeled into a particular school? Would they have won if it had been a seeded district?

Does Shelby Vally compete year in and year out, or were they a one hit wonder? Are they in an open enrollment county where players can be channeled into a particular school? Would they have won if it had been a seeded district?

 

Shelby Valley has been a pretty solid program for at least the past decade, and probably since it opened in the '90s as Virgie and Dorton (the schools that consolidated into SV) were generally pretty solid before that. Pretty sure Pike Co. Schools doesn't have open enrollment. Their district, the 59th, is seeded.

Tough call. I've been on both sides of this fence over the past 35 years.

 

Seeding is a rather recent phenomenon. Adolph Hitler would have liked the concept.

Back in the day there was no seeding and all districts conducted blind draws. Made for some exciting times.

Prior to 1990 when we were "have nots," we always hoped for the Brossart-Silver Grove draw. Now that we are one of the three "haves" in the 37th District, it certainly spices up the regular season to battle for the top seed, and let the other two "haves" fight for that other coveted Regional berth, with no consideration for the two "have nots" who face a death sentence, be it in the district or in the regional. Seeding simply seals their early demise and makes for a more conpetitive regional tournament. It also guarantees that the weak teams be eliminated from the lucrative regional tournament share monies that accompany playing in regional tournaments.

While the entire one class system is grossly unfair, there are things we sacrafice in order to maintain our sacred traditions, but even getting to the state tournament under these conditions makes it oh-so-special, that in this case all of the wrongs still seem to add up to a big right.

 

IF the KHSAA would ever intervene and dictate a single method of conducting district tournaments they would almost certainly decree that they be non-seeded, since the district tournaments are actually extentions of the unseeded state tournament.

Tough call. I've been on both sides of this fence over the past 35 years.

 

Seeding is a rather recent phenomenon. Adolph Hitler would have liked the concept.

Back in the day there was no seeding and all districts conducted blind draws. Made for some exciting times.

Prior to 1990 when we were "have nots," we always hoped for the Brossart-Silver Grove draw. Now that we are one of the three "haves" in the 37th District, it certainly spices up the regular season to battle for the top seed, and let the other two "haves" fight for that other coveted Regional berth, with no consideration for the two "have nots" who face a death sentence, be it in the district or in the regional. Seeding simply seals their early demise and makes for a more conpetitive regional tournament. It also guarantees that the weak teams be eliminated from the lucrative regional tournament share monies that accompany playing in regional tournaments.

While the entire one class system is grossly unfair, there are things we sacrafice in order to maintain our sacred traditions, but even getting to the state tournament under these conditions makes it oh-so-special, that in this case all of the wrongs still seem to add up to a big right.

 

IF the KHSAA would ever intervene and dictate a single method of conducting district tournaments they would almost certainly decree that they be non-seeded, since the district tournaments are actually extentions of the unseeded state tournament.

 

With your reasoning, then only one team would move on from the District to the Region, as only one team from each Region goes to the State Tournament!

 

Is that your thinking?

Edited January 6, 201115 yr by Theoldguy

They should be seeded.

It makes the district games during the season count.

The revenue of the regions should be shared by all, not just the teams qualifying. No way a 'have not' should be playing in the regional unless they earned the spot.

Thanks to Stan Steidel and a few of his cronies there is an All A tourney (though unsanctioned) for the small schools. In NKY there are also 3 classes in the NKAC that produces 3 "champions." So there are several chances for a small school to proclaim themselves as champions.

Seldom, if ever does a two seed out of a district win it all, but they can sometimes provide a match up issue and upset a 1 seed.

Response to Malachicrunch: "36th is a blind draw. Last season the two top teams drew each other in the 1st round. It's a joke."

 

 

I don't think that is accurate about the top two teams drawing each other in the first round last year in the 36th. NCC and Highlands met in the second round but by looking at the records the top two teams in the District last year were Newport and NCC (by overall record since the district records were the same).

 

*Newport was 29-6 (district 3-1) - beat Highlands and Dayton. Lost to NCC. DNP Bellevue.

*Highlands was 14-10 (district 3-1) - beat NCC. Lost to Newport. DNP Dayton or Bellevue.

*NCC was 19-8 (3-1) - beat Newport. Lost to Highlands. DNP Dayton or Bellevue.

 

* According to the KHSAA website.

Edited January 6, 201115 yr by TheHighlands
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With your reasoning, then only one team would move on from the District to the Region, as only one team from each Region goes to the State Tournament!

 

Is that your thinking?

Not really but I see where you are coming from.

Comparatively speaking I'm saying (but not purporting) - non-seeded state tournament/non-seeded district tournament.

But then you are throwing in the monkey wrench of both the distirict winner and the district runner-up advancing, which is done to spice up the regional tournament.

Very few of the independent districts remaining are in danger of closing and most counties only have one high school. You get just as many splits (Warren, Shelby) as you do consolidations lately.

Very few of the independent districts remaining are in danger of closing and most counties only have one high school. You get just as many splits (Warren, Shelby) as you do consolidations lately.

 

Independent consolidations are not really all that common now. There has been 2 since 2006 and 3 since 1990. I think if we see anymore it will be in areas where population is dropping.

The KHSAA should go to either all seed or all draw.

 

If the KHSAA does go to a blind draw, then only the winner of the District should move on,

 

NO TEAM SHOULD EVER BE REWARDED, FOR BEING LUCKY IN THE DRAW!

 

Preach it oldguy, preach it!!