Here's the difference with the Sweet 16. If seeding were done to the Sweet 16, it would have to be conducted by a selection committee (ala the NCAA tourney). With a District Tourney seeding, it's all based on regular season matchups. I also think that would make it difficult to seed regions, because teams would tie up 15-20 games if they had to play everyone in the region once. Besides, the regional tournaments are already seeded in a sense, with a district winner playing a district loser in the opening round.

 

Again, I see both sides of the argument. But for me as a fan, I place a greater emphasis on the Regional tournament rather than the District, therefore I would personally prefer seeding because that better ensures your better teams making the Regional tournament.

Campbell, Scott, Bishop Brossart, Calvary Christian and Silver Grove. 5-team district.

Teams are allowed somewhere around 24 games in a season.

You are asking them to commit 1/3 of their season to playing only the teams in their district.

That very well may mean they are either a) removed from the NKY league as they would not have enough games to play in it; b) not play teams in their region because they are committed to the NKY league and the district; c) not able to play in downstate tournaments that provide valuable exposure for the team and players because of the commitment to the district seeding games.

I thought you wanted #1 and #2 teams to play in the finals. For the region, the #1 and #2 teams might very well come from the same district.

 

No...what I'm saying is...IF you are going to have only ONE team advance to the next level (region or state)...then at some point in time, you're "going to have to beat the best, to be the best"...so the draw has less impact. However, using your five team district as an example...what happens if you have the first, second and third best teams all on one side of the bracket, with numbers 4 and 5 on the other? That means one of them (the 4 or 5) will get rewarded for an easier draw...rendering the regular season worthless.

Campbell, Scott, Bishop Brossart, Calvary Christian and Silver Grove. 5-team district.

Teams are allowed somewhere around 24 games in a season.

You are asking them to commit 1/3 of their season to playing only the teams in their district.

That very well may mean they are either a) removed from the NKY league as they would not have enough games to play in it; b) not play teams in their region because they are committed to the NKY league and the district; c) not able to play in downstate tournaments that provide valuable exposure for the team and players because of the commitment to the district seeding games.

 

 

Actually, I think a 5 team district allows for much "fairer" seeding, as you can schedule two home district games, and two away. And who says they have to play twice in a year. You could have just 4 games used for seeding, leaving 20 others for whomever. That's just 1/6th of the schedule. (With 4 team districts, you're going to have a situation where two teams have only 1 home game and two away, while the other two teams will have two home, and 1 away.)

I see both sides of this argument here. IMO, the KHSAA needs to decide one way or the other for ALL DISTRICTS, not just a select few.

Campbell, Scott, Bishop Brossart, Calvary Christian and Silver Grove. 5-team district.

Teams are allowed somewhere around 24 games in a season.

You are asking them to commit 1/3 of their season to playing only the teams in their district.

That very well may mean they are either a) removed from the NKY league as they would not have enough games to play in it; b) not play teams in their region because they are committed to the NKY league and the district; c) not able to play in downstate tournaments that provide valuable exposure for the team and players because of the commitment to the district seeding games.

 

The two games per year within district was a concern for me too, until Goldie informed me that the GRC/Montgomery district only play each other once per year--or should I say only one game counts toward seeding per year. She could clarify.

I enjoy seeing Cinderella at the Ball just like anyone does, but not because she crawled out of the gutter and just snuck into the dance uninvited. She really needs to pretty up a bit first to be worthy of being there. The Regional tourney ought to truly be as near the Elite 8 of a region that you can get to reward teams that earned their right to be there, and to make it the best possible competitive tourney for the enjoyment of the fans. Sure, there are powerhouse schools that tend to be there every year, and because they have great programs, this will most likely always be the case. You really can't penalize them for being good. Some teams have bad years and seeding will reward them when they're having a good one. As an example of a district that does seed: District 35 in the 9th Region is made up of Holmes, Covington Catholic, Holy Cross, & Beechwood. Pretty good teams with Beechwood having more the history of the team that struggles compared to the other three. In 2009 they had a pretty nice team that played and earned their way into the the 9th Region Tournament. It was an exciting tournament and everyone was excited to see that tourney newcomer Beechwood had brought a worthy enough team to be there. If the 35th had used a blind draw Beechwood theorhetically could have drawn eventual 2009 State Champs Holmes in the 1st game of the district, undoubtedly voiding their right to to finally make it to the Regional dance that they were worthy of being in. Sure, they weren't going to win the tourney, but it sure is exciting and an honor to be there, and it would've been a crying shame if they had missed the dance on the year they had a team worthy of being there. In years past in the 36th District that 'does not seed', you have the occasion where less stronger teams Bellevue & Dayton draw the same side of the bracket, automatically awarding one of the two of these teams an entry into the 9th Region Tournament, just to be blown out by whoever they play. BOOOORRRRRING and everybody knows it and they just typically embarrass themselves while a valid & worthy team in the 36th doesn't even play in the 9th Region Tournament. Before someone cries foul for the small schools that rarely have a chance to be in the Regional, I've already posted, as many others have, that the small schools have the 'All A Classic' to play in, so they're not shortchanged of a chance to be in a respectable tournament at all that also helps the state avoid classification and keep the year end Sweet 16 interesting and pure, while also giving Cinderella a chance to be there if she is worthy (See: 2010 State Champs - Shelby Valley). It just defies logic to blind draw and take the chance of stupid stuff happening that ought not to. Reward teams for being good. Give less stronger teams something to aim for and know that good things come to those who work for it. What message does it send that says you can have a pathetically horrible season, but you still have a chance of sneaking into the dance that you're not worthy of being at just to stink the place up and rob a worthy team the right to be there? You're good, you belong... you're not... good luck and try harder next year.

I enjoy seeing Cinderella at the Ball just like anyone does, but not because she crawled out of the gutter and just snuck into the dance uninvited. She really needs to pretty up a bit first to be worthy of being there. The Regional tourney ought to truly be as near the Elite 8 of a region that you can get to reward teams that earned their right to be there, and to make it the best possible competitive tourney for the enjoyment of the fans. Sure, there are powerhouse schools that tend to be there every year, and because they have great programs, this will most likely always be the case. You really can't penalize them for being good. Some teams have bad years and seeding will reward them when they're having a good one. As an example of a district that does seed: District 35 in the 9th Region is made up of Holmes, Covington Catholic, Holy Cross, & Beechwood. Pretty good teams with Beechwood having more the history of the team that struggles compared to the other three. In 2009 they had a pretty nice team that played and earned their way into the the 9th Region Tournament. It was an exciting tournament and everyone was excited to see that tourney newcomer Beechwood had brought a worthy enough team to be there. If the 35th had used a blind draw Beechwood theorhetically could have drawn eventual 2009 State Champs Holmes in the 1st game of the district, undoubtedly voiding their right to to finally make it to the Regional dance that they were worthy of being in. Sure, they weren't going to win the tourney, but it sure is exciting and an honor to be there, and it would've been a crying shame if they had missed the dance on the year they had a team worthy of being there. In years past in the 36th District that 'does not seed', you have the occasion where less stronger teams Bellevue & Dayton draw the same side of the bracket, automatically awarding one of the two of these teams an entry into the 9th Region Tournament, just to be blown out by whoever they play. BOOOORRRRRING and everybody knows it and they just typically embarrass themselves while a valid & worthy team in the 36th doesn't even play in the 9th Region Tournament. Before someone cries foul for the small schools that rarely have a chance to be in the Regional, I've already posted, as many others have, that the small schools have the 'All A Classic' to play in, so they're not shortchanged of a chance to be in a respectable tournament at all that also helps the state avoid classification and keep the year end Sweet 16 interesting and pure, while also giving Cinderella a chance to be there if she is worthy (See: 2010 State Champs - Shelby Valley). It just defies logic to blind draw and take the chance of stupid stuff happening that ought not to. Reward teams for being good. Give less stronger teams something to aim for and know that good things come to those who work for it. What message does it send that says you can have a pathetically horrible season, but you still have a chance of sneaking into the dance that you're not worthy of being at just to stink the place up and rob a worthy team the right to be there? You're good, you belong... you're not... good luck and try harder next year.

 

Shelby Valley is actually in a blind draw district if I'm not mistaken

Shelby Valley is actually in a blind draw district if I'm not mistaken

 

That may be so, but I only brought SV up to show that small schools can be in and win the Sweet 16 if they really have a good team to do so, and that it's not impossible for a small school to have a good team.

That may be so, but I only brought SV up to show that small schools can be in and win the Sweet 16 if they really have a good team to do so, and that it's not impossible for a small school to have a good team.

 

SV was the largest team in the ALL A. Approx 350 boys. I consider small schools 200 or less boys. The ALL A has 123 schools in it.

SV was the largest team in the ALL A. Approx 350 boys. I consider small schools 200 or less boys. The ALL A has 123 schools in it.

 

350 sounds pretty small. Not a bad accomplishment for a school of that size to produce both the All 'A' Classic & Sweet 16 Champs in the same year! Shows that you don't have to be a big school powerhouse to win it all if you work very hard at it. I don't know the best place to draw the line on what a 'small school' is, but I wouldn't be opposed if they broke things down to and All 'A' & 'AA' tourney. Just anything please to leave the Sweet 16 alone and keep it from becoming the ho-hum thing that Indiana has become. Now how cool is it that SV accomplished what they did? Classification would kill any of that magic from ever happening again. I think KY's found a great way with the All 'A' to have it all without ruining the Sweet 16. Now if they could just seed every district the picture would be just about perfect. As goofy as it seems for district runner-ups to advance, I've always thought that it still made the Regional tourney of 8 be able to create more exciting drama than just a simple Final 4. Still, true runner-ups of a seeded district have proved that they're one of the top 8 in the region and I don't have a problem with them being included. Some teams have been district runner-ups just to go on to win the Sweet 16. They're way more valid to be in the dance than a weak team that has drawn their way in.

350 boys,.. When you consider a school like Williamsburg had 99 boys and Pinevile Barbourville approx 100. I also think districts should seed. When did seeding begin in districts. Several, many years ago I don't think any districts seeded.

350 boys,.. When you consider a school like Williamsburg had 99 boys and Pinevile Barbourville approx 100. I also think districts should seed. When did seeding begin in districts. Several, many years ago I don't think any districts seeded.

 

I think you're right. I think that it was all blind draw for the whole state years ago. I've lost track of just when seeding did start. I wanna say no more than 20 years, but maybe more like 15. After awhile the years start blending together. 350 Boys... yeah that's different. You'd think that they were a school of nearly 700 then. Just what is the enrollment cut off for the All 'A'? I thought that it was around 450 or 500. Is that 450 or 500 boys or total school enrollment? That sounds like a crazy ratio of boys to girls at Shelby Valley. Like I said, An All 'A' & 'AA' could be interesting giving the true 'small schools' something to hang their hat on every year.

Checked enrollment figures and SV had 329 boys. I'm not sure what cut off is. 123 schools participating in ALL A. Thats got to be at least close to 45% of the schools. As far as when seeding started time does pass. I don't remember hearing anything about seeding in the 70's 80's.

In a lot of cases, bigger schools in a district w/ smaller schools don't want to have to schedule two yearly games per small school. Take Mason County, for instance. They're in a district with three other small schools (Bracken, Augusta, St. Patrick) & I'm assuming they don't want to tie up six of their games each year with them.

 

It works the other way too, I'm sure, with smaller schools not wanting to have to play the top team in the district year in and year out.

 

For me, I'm in favor of seeding districts, simply because I place a bigger emphasis on the regional tournament. I want to see the best teams playing in the regional as opposed to the first round of the district.

 

 

In Mason's case I would bet they would still elect not to play the other three schools, which would put them as the last seed in that district. All that would accomplish would be that the second best team in the district would have little to no chance of making the Regional.

In Mason's case I would bet they would still elect not to play the other three schools, which would put them as the last seed in that district. All that would accomplish would be that the second best team in the district would have little to no chance of making the Regional.

 

Well, then rather than have Mason forfeit those "games"...have the other schools forfeit them instead. Mason would end up as the #1 seed, and the second best team would therefore be placed on the other side of the bracket.