Would the Temple Mount apply?

Our governments from city, county, state and federal have no problems telling us we CAN’T build a business with our own money on our own property and allow smoking in it. They tell me I CAN’T park my motor home in the driveway I own. They tell me I CAN’T legally drive my car unless I wear a seatbelt. They tell me I CAN’T make five gallons of very good corn squeezins and sell a few gallons to my neighbors. They tell me I CAN’T live in this country legally without purchasing health insurance. They tell the principals of our schools that they CAN’T have prayer over the PA before sporting events. They tell my county that the Ten Commandments CAN’T be displayed on on their property. They have no problem telling our children they CAN’T pray out loud in their class room.

 

Government has problem telling us what we CAN’T do. Why is it so hard telling this bunch they CAN’T build this Mosque at that location?

 

Only the three bolded have to do with religion, which was what the post you quoted is about. All deal with the fact that we have the right not have someone else's religion forced upon us. For those that would have prayers over the intercom before sporting games (which can happen, btw, if student led), would you be okay with prayers from non-Christian religions? Or is it just Christianity that we think should have that right? As for the 10 Commandments, why is it just a Christian posting that we are concerned with? Why would prayer need to be out loud in the classroom (which is supposed to be a place of education)? I pray many times in my classroom...I just don't subject my students to my prayers, as religious instruction should be up to their parents, not me.

 

Again...religious freedom is what it is about. None of the three bolded statements keep me from practicing my religion in any way.

Very early in this thread I indicated in so many words that I wasn't crazy about the idea. Much of what I see in this thread is validation.

One last question bluegrasscard, are you in favor of rebuilding on the site itself? Or should the hole be left there?

 

I wondered when this would come up.

 

As I indicated the area is not a museum. Building at and around Ground Zero must occur. The design of new Freedom tower or towers has had much public input and debate and discussion and yet it has not yet started. At this point I am not sure why. I am disappointed that it has not.

Only the three bolded have to do with religion, which was what the post you quoted is about. All deal with the fact that we have the right not have someone else's religion forced upon us. For those that would have prayers over the intercom before sporting games (which can happen, btw, if student led), would you be okay with prayers from non-Christian religions? Or is it just Christianity that we think should have that right? As for the 10 Commandments, why is it just a Christian posting that we are concerned with? Why would prayer need to be out loud in the classroom (which is supposed to be a place of education)? I pray many times in my classroom...I just don't subject my students to my prayers, as religious instruction should be up to their parents, not me.

 

Again...religious freedom is what it is about. None of the three bolded statements keep me from practicing my religion in any way.

 

Freedom is freedom. I didn't say that anything kept you, me or anyone else is from practicing any religion. I SIMPLY made comparisons to how government decides what we can and can't do. Our freedoms are declining. I am much more concerned about the RV parking than I am about mosques. Again, it's a stupid idea.

Just because something is legal, it doesn't all ways make it right...,

Just because something is legal, it doesn't all ways make it right...,

So what? Whether someone feels it's "right" or not depends on who's doing the judging ...

So what? Whether someone feels it's "right" or not depends on who's doing the judging ...

 

In our judicial system, it often depends on which judge is judging as to something being legal or not.

A Muslim victim of 9/11: 'Build your mosque somewhere else'

 

On the morning of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, I watched as terrorists slammed United Flight 175 into the South Tower of the World Trade Center, 18 minutes after their accomplices on another hijacked plane hit the North Tower. My mother was on the flight. I witnessed her murder on live television. I still cannot fully comprehend those images. In that moment, I died as well. I carry a hole in my heart that will never be filled.

 

From the first memorial ceremonies I attended at Ground Zero, I have always been moved by the site; it means something to be close to where my mother may be buried, it brings some peace. That is why the prospect of a mosque near Ground Zero -- or a church or a synagogue or any religious or nationalistic monument or symbol -- troubles me.

 

I was born in pre-revolutionary Iran. My family led a largely secular existence -- I did not attend a religious school, I never wore a headscarf -- but for us, as for anyone there, Islam was part of our heritage, our culture, our entire lives. Though I have nothing but contempt for the fanaticism that propelled the terrorists to carry out their murderous attacks on Sept. 11, I still have great respect for the faith. Yet, I worry that the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center site would not promote tolerance or understanding; I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world.

A Muslim victim of 9/11: 'Build your mosque somewhere else'

 

If we become what they make us out to be - religiously intolerant - THEN it become a true symbol of extremist victory.

If we become what they make us out to be - religiously intolerant - THEN it become a true symbol of extremist victory.

"But a mosque nearby -- even a proposed one -- is already transforming the site from a sacred ground for reflection, so desperately needed by the families who lost loved ones, to a battleground for religious and political ideologies. So many people from different nationalities and religions were killed that day. This site should be a neutral place for all to come in peace and remember. I believe my mother would have thought so as well. "

"But a mosque nearby -- even a proposed one -- is already transforming the site from a sacred ground for reflection, so desperately needed by the families who lost loved ones, to a battleground for religious and political ideologies. So many people from different nationalities and religions were killed that day. This site should be a neutral place for all to come in peace and remember. I believe my mother would have thought so as well. "

 

The proposed building is not a mosque, though it will contain a room for Muslim prayer. It is a community center which includes a memorial room for ALL of those killed.

 

Just because some argue against it doesn't mean that the right thing to do is to disallow it. There are others, including Christian leaders, who support it.

If we become what they make us out to be - religiously intolerant - THEN it become a true symbol of extremist victory.

I find it amusing that proponents of one of the most intolerant religions in the world could even remotely suggest that we are intolerant for not allowing adherents of the one true faith to place a victory shrine near the site of their greatest accomplishment of this century. :lol:

 

This practice of building “victory” monuments dates back to just after the time of Muhammad himself, with the Dome of the Rock, the oldest existing Moslem structure in the world completed around 691 A.D.

 

The Dome was built over the Rock of Moriah, the spot where Muhammad supposedly ascended into Heaven with the Angel Gabriel. It is no accident that this very rock was also considered the Foundation Stone of Solomon’s Temple and is the holiest site in all of Judaism, believed to be the site of the Holy of Holies during the Temple Period, and even the rock upon which Abraham was prepared to offer his son Isaac.

 

The whole practice of Jews praying near the Western Wall began as a result of Muslim authorities refusing to permit Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount… aside from the fact that the site was considered holy for many centuries before Muhammad was even born. Muslims being the TOLERANT sort they are… Jews and Christians are still forbidden to pray on the site. The Western Wall is the site nearest to the Foundation Stone that is accessible to Jews.

 

I get weary hearing how we need to be “sensitive” to a bunch of people that will not call known terrorists “terrorists” and will not disclose where they are procuring funding for their $100 million plus facility. If this is truly a gesture for healing and tolerance, why not make it a Jewish, Christian, Moslem interfaith center where healing may actually occur?

 

This is a stupid idea... and we are stupid to fall for it.

I find it amusing that proponents of one of the most intolerant religions in the world could even remotely suggest that we are intolerant for not allowing adherents of the one true faith to place a victory shrine near the site of their greatest accomplishment of this century. :lol:

 

This practice of building “victory” monuments dates back to just after the time of Muhammad himself, with the Dome of the Rock, the oldest existing Moslem structure in the world completed around 691 A.D.

 

The Dome was built over the Rock of Moriah, the spot where Muhammad supposedly ascended into Heaven with the Angel Gabriel. It is no accident that this very rock was also considered the Foundation Stone of Solomon’s Temple and is the holiest site in all of Judaism, believed to be the site of the Holy of Holies during the Temple Period, and even the rock upon which Abraham was prepared to offer his son Isaac.

 

The whole practice of Jews praying near the Western Wall began as a result of Muslim authorities refusing to permit Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount… aside from the fact that the site was considered holy for many centuries before Muhammad was even born. Muslims being the TOLERANT sort they are… Jews and Christians are still forbidden to pray on the site. The Western Wall is the site nearest to the Foundation Stone that is accessible to Jews.

 

I get weary hearing how we need to be “sensitive” to a bunch of people that will not call known terrorists “terrorists” and will not disclose where they are procuring funding for their $100 million plus facility. If this is truly a gesture for healing and tolerance, why not make it a Jewish, Christian, Moslem interfaith center where healing may actually occur?

 

This is a stupid idea... and we are stupid to fall for it.

 

What is stupid is to ignore our own policy of religious freedom - founding principles of our country - so that this building or other religiously connected buildings, muslim or otherwise, are prohibited due, not by law, but by anti-religious sentiment.

 

What is stupid is to care what the terrorists (Muslim, Christian, or otherwise) think about continuing to allow the freedoms that the United States stands for.

 

No law that I know of prevents the construction of this building. To invent one would be stupid...no, preposterous. That's what it really comes down to.

What is stupid is to ignore our own policy of religious freedom - founding principles of our country - so that this building or other religiously connected buildings, muslim or otherwise, are prohibited due, not by law, but by anti-religious sentiment.

 

What is stupid is to care what the terrorists (Muslim, Christian, or otherwise) think about continuing to allow the freedoms that the United States stands for.

 

No law that I know of prevents the construction of this building. To invent one would be stupid...no, preposterous. That's what it really comes down to.

Who said anything about inventing new laws?

 

...except perhaps for the Imam of the Ground Zero mosque... he's all about imposing Sharia law here in the U.S.

 

I'm sure you'd do really well under his form of religious/social integration. :thumb:

 

Sharia is used to justify stoning, the execution of homosexuals, the subjugation of women, and does not permit freedom of conscience or permit Muslims to renounce their faith or convert to another religion. Sharia does not support religious liberty and is entirely at odds with core American values. It is a threat to all who believe in the freedoms maintained by our constitutional system.

 

We have no "religious" obligation to permit a radical proponent of such barbarity to build a cardboard tent in lower Manhattan, much less a $100 million shrine.

 

I will not be browbeaten and guilted into accepting the imposition of sharia in any American communities. You may believe what you want, but sharia is the antithesis of and enemy to true religious freedom.