It is just a terrible idea. Quite honestly I find it sickening that it is even being debated.

 

I would like to know why they want to build the Mosque there? Of all places.

 

It shouldn't be debated. In the US, we have religious freedom and there should be no reason why this building cannot be built. Read some of the links that we have included. NYC's mayor and a baptist preacher are two people in favor of the community center.

Bluegrasscard, I understand what you're trying to do, but calling the mosque a "honorarium to the cause" of 9/11 is just being ignorant.

Bluegrasscard, I understand what you're trying to do, but calling the mosque a "honorarium to the cause" of 9/11 is just being ignorant.

 

I'd say ignoring that it is a monument of the successful attack is the ignorance here. Just my opinion. I'm not going to say that they shouldn't have the right to build it because I do believe in freedom of religion, but it's a blatant smack in the face and I'd bet more Muslim leaders than we'll ever know are smiling that it's probably going to be built.

Honestly this thread reminds me of the thread about the guy that wore the LeBron Heat jersey to the Cleve Indians game the other night. It's just looking for trouble.

Bluegrasscard, I understand what you're trying to do, but calling the mosque a "honorarium to the cause" of 9/11 is just being ignorant.

 

Why? Martyr Markers are extremely popular in the Muslim community. They have been doing it for centuries.

I would say that is sounds like you are incapable of looking beyond the elementary value of his words (at best) greatly exaggerating or lying (at worst). Compare the underlined statements in your own two posts.

 

I marked in bold so you can see what was comparing. Underlining the whole "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened" thing shows absolutely nothing except that he said we didn't deserve that. He still goes onto say (although not directly) that we had it coming.

 

It also sounds like you ignore facts that don't support "your" opinion, as you did with this post below, but I will post it again (though I did directly quote you in the first posting of it). This is a baptist minister, for heaven's sake!

 

Additional, NYC mayor Michael Bloomburg (who is jewish and an independent) is in support of the building of the mosque. Is he also "naive and disgusting"?]

 

and I'm sorry I was ignoring these after I read the links because I don't base my thoughts and opinions on what a preacher or a Jewish independent say or think about someone.

 

I don't care if a baptist preacher wrote something tremendous about Monica Lewinsky, she wouldn't be allowed to build a house next to the Clinton residence. Why should the Imam be allowed to put a mosque next to ground zero.

The Hamas issue is a little deeper than you want it to be. Israel and the US wanted free and fair elections in Gaza and Hamas was the democratically elected party. Elected just like we wanted someone to be. Only we don't like Hamas and label them a terrorist group and refuse to recognize them as legitimate, even though they were elected in the way in which we wanted. I also believe Rauf refused to say anything about the legitimacy of Hamas, which is understanable from a man in his position. He didn't condemn them, but he didn't say there were a legitimate entity, either. If you listen to his views on Islam and general, you have to believe he doesn't support the actions of Hamas.

We don't like Hamas because they are terrorists. They strongly believe in Jihad. We don't "label" them as terrorists because we don't like them...they have caused thousands of deaths and even more wounded.

It shouldn't be debated. In the US, we have religious freedom and there should be no reason why this building cannot be built. Read some of the links that we have included. NYC's mayor and a baptist preacher are two people in favor of the community center.

 

Are you sure about that?

It shouldn't be debated. In the US, we have religious freedom and there should be no reason why this building cannot be built. Read some of the links that we have included. NYC's mayor and a baptist preacher are two people in favor of the community center.

 

 

Our governments from city, county, state and federal have no problems telling us we CAN’T build a business with our own money on our own property and allow smoking in it. They tell me I CAN’T park my motor home in the driveway I own. They tell me I CAN’T legally drive my car unless I wear a seatbelt. They tell me I CAN’T make five gallons of very good corn squeezins and sell a few gallons to my neighbors. They tell me I CAN’T live in this country legally without purchasing health insurance. They tell the principals of our schools that they CAN’T have prayer over the PA before sporting events. They tell my county that the Ten Commandments CAN’T be displayed on on their property. They have no problem telling our children they CAN’T pray out loud in their class room.

 

Government has problem telling us what we CAN’T do. Why is it so hard telling this bunch they CAN’T build this Mosque at that location?

I say you can worship a bundle of sticks and mud if you so desire.

 

What if it involves sacrificing puppies?

Bluegrasscard, I understand what you're trying to do, but calling the mosque a "honorarium to the cause" of 9/11 is just being ignorant.

 

In the view of the radical Muslim world that is exactly what it is. To believe otherwise is naive. The actual backers of the project are to this day unknown. It is definitely funded by non-US based entities. The calculations are to coincidental. This is ignored in the discussion. In fact. Why would one of the true and long term gathering places for Muslims in lower Manhattan go out of there way to explain they are not part of the group trying to build this mosque.

 

See this link - http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/

DISCLAIMER:

Please be advised that we are by no means affiliated with any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan.

 

There are no lack of mosques in Manhattan. If you go to Google maps and goggle Manhattan mosque you will see a number of mosque and Islam centers on the island. Muslims make up around 2% of the Manhattan population. See this link.

 

So am I ignorant? I do not think so. Even the local Muslims do not what this entity. That should tell all of us something. We can choose to ignore all of these signs that this building is not one of religious expression to serve the local community but it would avoiding the obvious. We can cower at the fear of being called religious bigots or we can call it out for what it is.

 

If someone wants a true place of tolerance and healing then they can build a multi-denominational religious center that welcomes and celebrates all faiths. But do it outside the immediate landscape of the Ground Zero area. Do it 5 or more blocks away. If you really want a new mosque for all of Manhattans 37,000 (out of 1.6 million) residents - build it. But build it outside of the Ground Zero area.

 

To me the area around Ground Zero, not just "the pit", are somewhat like the walls of the Vietnam Memorial. When you are not in the rush to get a meeting or grab a cab to the airport you can look down the corridor of tall buildings and imagine what was going that Tuesday morning in 2001. Where people were walking away from the burning towers or running away after WTC 2 fell and 9:59, followed by WTC 1 at 10:28. Or where firefighters and rescue workers were running the other direction, many never to return home that night. And then you think about their children - waiting for the parents to come home that night, but didn't. And it goes on. Many reference only "the pit" as Ground Zero. But Ground Zero is the immediate area around the footprint of the towers. To say this mosque would be "built near Ground Zero" is a lie. The block of construction is very much part of Ground Zero. Is this area around the pit hollowed ground for all Americans and should it be protected from foreign Islamic entities attempting to alter it? Absolutely.

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Isn't it ironic that all these "limited government" people on here are wanting the government to to intervene when it's something they don't agree with?

 

Our country was founded on Freedom of Religion among other things, and it go directly against the principles our Founding Fathers built this country on to stop this.

Our governments from city, county, state and federal have no problems telling us we CAN’T build a business with our own money on our own property and allow smoking in it. They tell me I CAN’T park my motor home in the driveway I own. They tell me I CAN’T legally drive my car unless I wear a seatbelt. They tell me I CAN’T make five gallons of very good corn squeezins and sell a few gallons to my neighbors. They tell me I CAN’T live in this country legally without purchasing health insurance. They tell the principals of our schools that they CAN’T have prayer over the PA before sporting events. They tell my county that the Ten Commandments CAN’T be displayed on on their property. They have no problem telling our children they CAN’T pray out loud in their class room.

 

Government has problem telling us what we CAN’T do. Why is it so hard telling this bunch they CAN’T build this Mosque at that location?

 

None of that stuff is right. However, if you're for limited government involvement, you can't be against the building of the Mosque without being hypocritical.

Isn't it ironic that all these "limited government" people on here are wanting the government to to intervene when it's something they don't agree with?

 

Our country was founded on Freedom of Religion among other things, and it go directly against the principles our Founding Fathers built this country on to stop this.

 

Who said they wanted government to intervene?

Who said they wanted government to intervene?

 

You're saying they shouldn't be allowed to do it....What else could you mean?