In an article entitled, “Mischief in Manhattan” Muslim authors Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah state, “…we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.”

 

Some additional excerpts:

 

“When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?”

 

“If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.”

 

“As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.”

 

“The Koran implores Muslims to speak the truth, even if it hurts the one who utters the truth. Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.”

 

“As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill. Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within.”

 

Read More: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html

In an article entitled, “Mischief in Manhattan” Muslim authors Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah state, “…we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.”

 

Some additional excerpts:

 

“When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?”

 

“If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.”

 

“As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.”

 

“The Koran implores Muslims to speak the truth, even if it hurts the one who utters the truth. Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.”

 

“As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill. Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within.”

 

Read More: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?204882-A-Stupid-Idea&p=3862581&viewfull=1#post3862581 :lol:

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?204882-A-Stupid-Idea&p=3862581&viewfull=1#post3862581 :lol:

I've been reading so much on this, it all is starting to blend... good catch. :thumb:

 

You know what they say about great minds... unfortunately, the same can be said about feeble minds as well... :idunno:

Fareed Zakaria says the mosque should be built in a quite convincing way. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/06/the-real-ground-zero.html

Did anyone on this site know that 72 sets of human remains were just recovered and identified at the Ground Zero site in June of THIS YEAR (2010) as a result of new construction work?

 

I didn’t until I found it while reading about this matter.

 

Why have we not been informed that they are still uncovering the bodies of 9/11 victims at Ground Zero nearly nine years after the attack?

 

What is our media doing?

 

Why aren’t we being told more about the victims and the fact that we are still finding them?

Did anyone on this site know that 72 sets of human remains were just recovered and identified at the Ground Zero site in June of THIS YEAR (2010) as a result of new construction work?

 

I didn’t until I found it while reading about this matter.

 

Why have we not been informed that they are still uncovering the bodies of 9/11 victims at Ground Zero nearly nine years after the attack?

 

What is our media doing?

 

Why aren’t we being told more about the victims and the fact that we are still finding them?

 

What does that have to do with the site of the proposed Muslim Cultural Center, an existing building blocks away from Ground Zero?

What does that have to do with the site of the proposed Muslim Cultural Center, an existing building blocks away from Ground Zero?

I think that's an excellent question Mom. :thumb:

 

First it might help to understand the actual proximity of the proposed mosque to Ground Zero. I suppose “blocks” is technically correct, but just barely. The existing building at the proposed mosque site was actually struck by part of the fuselage that broke apart after hitting the WTC, and is considered to be within the 9/11 "kill zone".

 

The actual distance from the front door of 51 Park Place to the edge of Ground Zero is less than 600 feet. It is reported that once completed, the top floor of the new mosque would provide a view of Ground Zero.

 

It genuinely boggles my mind that less than nine years after the attacks at ground zero, there is anyone that would question why some find this mosque an insensitive provocation.

 

Siena College Research Institute released results of a poll conducted last week revealing that only 26% of New York residents support the proposed Ground Zero mosque. Over 63% are against it with less than 11% undecided… and we all know how conservative NYC is. So, I’m not alone, off in the weeds in my opinion.

 

If the Imam’s true goal is to promote mutual respect, harmony and peace as he claims, he should reconsider. Intentionally inflaming emotional pain is not an act of understanding. Adding fuel to a religiously charged debate at Ground Zero is not a move for tolerance. These are provocations, by someone that is either witless or clearly banking upon the witlessness of the rest of us. The fact that he is not humbly relenting in light of understandable emotions belies his stated motives.

Edited August 12, 201016 yr by Fastbreak

Here's a view from Google Earth.

Here's an expanded view. You can see the distance to the proposed mosque is considerably closer than the distance across Ground Zero. :thumb:

Might as well just not allow any mosques to be built in New York City at all. Or better yet, make that whole freedom of religion thing our country was founded on pertain to Christian sects only....

Just a question Fastbreak, but how would you feel about a strip club or gay bar directly facing Ground Zero?

Just a question Fastbreak, but how would you feel about a strip club or gay bar directly facing Ground Zero?

I'm not a proponent of either type of establishment in the first place, so I think they would be tacky to say the very least. If on the other hand, two planes hijacked by gay strippers were flown into the Twin Towers, I'd be strongly against it.

 

You know, sometimes it just makes sense to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

 

If it weren’t for the teachings of jihad and promises of six dozen virgins as a reward from a god in the afterlife of each murderous loony that carried out the insane and horrific acts of 9/11, Ground Zero would not exist in its present form. Thousands of lives would not have ended in senseless tragedy. Thousands of kids would still have mom or dad coming home evenings.

 

Ground Zero is a battlefield on American soil worthy of the reverence attributed to Pearl Harbor, Gettysburg and other American battlefield shrines. Allowing an egocentric cleric with political aspirations to build a monument to the ideology that fomented this tragedy and arguing that this is a First Amendment issue is shortsighted, insensitive and nonsensical.

 

The relevance of introducing Sharia into the debate is the fact that Islam in its purest form is not merely a religion, but an entire social system with laws and codes of conduct overseen by imams, ayatollahs and other “religious” clerics. It is the antithesis of the respect we share for individual liberties. Without the protective shield of religion, Islam would be forbidden in the civilized world as a political ideology of hate with no compulsion for allowances.

Might as well just not allow any mosques to be built in New York City at all. Or better yet, make that whole freedom of religion thing our country was founded on pertain to Christian sects only....

The fact that we are able to debate such issues openly and in a civil manner illustrates the very principles of freedom that are a testament to American values and tolerance. No one of any significance has suggested banning Islam or mosques... or the freedom to practice Islam… even near ground zero. What is being said is that the location of this specific mosque is unreasonably provocative, insensitive and hurtful.

 

The right to express our views is the essence of a truly free republic. It IS the First Amendment.

 

Americans across New York and the nation have a First Amendment right to voice their opposition to the ground zero mosque. These voices are that treasured “marketplace of ideas” protected by the First Amendment. The attempt to silence them through cries of racism, bigotry and religious intolerance in the name of that same First Amendment is ironic to say the very least.

View of proposed building.

 

Here's an expanded view. You can see the distance to the proposed mosque is considerably closer than the distance across Ground Zero. :thumb:

 

The blue area ignores 7 World Trade that was quickly rebuilt after completely collapsing. When the 7 World Trade is included the location is literally around the corner.