I saw Haydon when LCA scrimmaged Green Co. he is a beast and would be my second choice. Like Ram said if he played for a big school he would get more votes.

That's a statement a person would make if they haven't had a chance to see him play. I guarantee if you watched him play, you wouldn't feel that way.

 

As I mentioned in the other Mr. Football thread, when the schedules were released Boyle County had 8 teams that were ranked in the preseason on their schedule. Now at this point, it looks like over half of their schedule is down this year, including LexCath, which I believe is not the case. These teams may be "down" by their programs status, but I'd like to see how many district winners we played at the end of the year.

 

By all means, feel free to take a look at Boyle County's schedule and please let us know what games we can circle on our calendar that will add some validity to Rees' numbers and the year he is having. I keep hearing that Rees is doing this against teams that aren't any good, but I say that until the end of the season, we have no idea how good any of these teams really are.

 

If Simpson's team losing last Friday doesn't hurt him, if Collinsworth not playing on Friday doesn't hurt him and if Andrews playing in 2A doesn't hurt him, then in the same respect the fact that Boyle County is destroying people, so far to date, shouldn't hurt Rees. I am going to promote Rees as long as his numbers allow, but I am not going to tell you why somebody shouldn't be Mr. Football. They are all deserving, but I want my hometown boy who is having a spectacular season to get some statewide respect and some recognition for the spectacular year all of us Boyle County Rebels knew he was going to have this year.:ylsuper:

 

For the record, next year in this thread, I'll be telling why Lamar Dawson should be Mr. Football. We Rebel fans aren't going anywhere.:thumb:

 

Understand exactly how you feel. :ylsuper:

A lot of people made their prediction before many games had been played. Now that we are 5 weeks into the season, here is a chance to reconsider your vote.

 

(I have added a few names from the previous thread)

 

Thanks for resetting the Mr. Football thread. It may not be a bad idea to do it again every other week to keep it relevant.

 

Still supporting Antonio Andrews!

My bad on Cross, I didnt know a junior couldnt win.

My bad on Cross, I didn't know a junior couldn't win.

30 Lashes with a wet noodle for you sir.:lol:

30 Lashes with a wet noodle for you sir.:lol:

Thank you sir! May I have another?!!!!!!!

Thank you sir! May I have another?!!!!!!!

Same thing I would have said:lol:, Bluto would get that one.

If a Junior could win it would be the kid from Fern Creek.

There is alot of great players throughout the Bluegrass. What is the critieria of MR. Kentucky football ???

Channing Fugate still got 7 votes?

There is alot of great players throughout the Bluegrass. What is the critieria of MR. Kentucky football ???

You have to be a senior and you have to play football. That's pretty much it.

Neil Wilson from Monroe Co. may not be MR FOOTBALL but he sure is one heck of a player. If Neil played in Louisville or Lexington area he would be in the running.

I think the criteria question is actually worth discussing!

 

Here's a scenario to consider:

 

Player A (end of season stats):

 

225 carries, 1800 yards and 24 touchdowns and wins a state championship while playing a schedule that is loaded with top 20 caliber teams (as in a kid from Trinity, Manual, Saint X, Highlands, etc.)

 

Player B (end of season stats):

 

390 carries, 3500 yards and 40 touchdowns and doesn't win a state championship while playing a below average strength of schedule.

 

Who is more worthy?

 

This is a similar argument to the Heisman Trophy in College football, with the same difficulty in evaluating a player's worthiness.

 

The reason I ask? The majority of the kids offered up in the vote fall in category "Player B" while there are quite a few players who would qualify in category "Player A" are not mentioned, aside from Collinsworth and Tim Patterson.

 

And obviously, a defensive player or offensive lineman would have to get "Dennis or Micah Johnson" type coverage starting as a Freshman to even be considered for the award (just like the Heisman).

 

So...for the sake of discussion:

 

How does strength of schedule versus gaudy stats weigh in on the decision.

 

In my mind, at the end of the day, since it only requires a relatively small number of votes to be on the all-state team (in some cases as few as 6-8 votes for a single player), I believe that the more "campaiging" that goes on for a particular player will only help his chances...regardless of strength of schedule.

 

Also, IMO, after looking over the past few years of all-state members, I find that small town "super stars" have an advantage over the kids in the larger markets such as Bowling Green, Lexington and Louisville because these Big School Teams don't have a single player who sticks out in the mind of voters and their numbers suffer due to the competition. Which is contrasted to the kids who are "big fish in a small pond" and everyone around the pond hears nothing but folk stories about how great he is.

 

I have a great example of this "about" ten years ago...a junior WR for a team around the central kentucky area had around 60 receptions for 990 yards and a about 15 touchdowns but was thrown the ball 10-15 times a game and didn't play a difficult schedule until the playoffs and was shutdown at that point. He made first team all-state. Decent numbers. His senior year...he had about 50 receptions for 600 yards and 10 touchdowns (same end of season result). The other two WR's selected doubled all of those stats and came out of programs who played tougher schedules but still not exceptionally tough. My point: politics, politics, politics! Numerous other players in the are (Louisville) had better stats and were not even in the running. While the Big Fish in a small pond was a hometown hero and the multiple markets directly around him KNEW THE NAME come voting time.

 

I think they should make a watch-list for each position and update it at the beginning, middle third, second third and end of the season...and then provide a final list to vote from. Sounds like a lot of work, but there are so many media outlets these days (combined with the internet) that this would not be that difficult. You could even use the all-district/all-region teams...narrow it down with a vote and then post schedules and stats for the finalists.

 

Food for thought...now discuss!

I haven't seen every player on here this season obviously. But, I felt like voting and went it MacShara.

I think the criteria question is actually worth discussing!

 

Here's a scenario to consider:

 

Player A (end of season stats):

 

225 carries, 1800 yards and 24 touchdowns and wins a state championship while playing a schedule that is loaded with top 20 caliber teams (as in a kid from Trinity, Manual, Saint X, Highlands, etc.)

 

Player B (end of season stats):

 

390 carries, 3500 yards and 40 touchdowns and doesn't win a state championship while playing a below average strength of schedule.

 

Who is more worthy?

 

This is a similar argument to the Heisman Trophy in College football, with the same difficulty in evaluating a player's worthiness.

 

The reason I ask? The majority of the kids offered up in the vote fall in category "Player B" while there are quite a few players who would qualify in category "Player A" are not mentioned, aside from Collinsworth and Tim Patterson.

 

And obviously, a defensive player or offensive lineman would have to get "Dennis or Micah Johnson" type coverage starting as a Freshman to even be considered for the award (just like the Heisman).

 

So...for the sake of discussion:

 

How does strength of schedule versus gaudy stats weigh in on the decision.

 

In my mind, at the end of the day, since it only requires a relatively small number of votes to be on the all-state team (in some cases as few as 6-8 votes for a single player), I believe that the more "campaiging" that goes on for a particular player will only help his chances...regardless of strength of schedule.

 

Also, IMO, after looking over the past few years of all-state members, I find that small town "super stars" have an advantage over the kids in the larger markets such as Bowling Green, Lexington and Louisville because these Big School Teams don't have a single player who sticks out in the mind of voters and their numbers suffer due to the competition. Which is contrasted to the kids who are "big fish in a small pond" and everyone around the pond hears nothing but folk stories about how great he is.

 

I have a great example of this "about" ten years ago...a junior WR for a team around the central kentucky area had around 60 receptions for 990 yards and a about 15 touchdowns but was thrown the ball 10-15 times a game and didn't play a difficult schedule until the playoffs and was shutdown at that point. He made first team all-state. Decent numbers. His senior year...he had about 50 receptions for 600 yards and 10 touchdowns (same end of season result). The other two WR's selected doubled all of those stats and came out of programs who played tougher schedules but still not exceptionally tough. My point: politics, politics, politics! Numerous other players in the are (Louisville) had better stats and were not even in the running. While the Big Fish in a small pond was a hometown hero and the multiple markets directly around him KNEW THE NAME come voting time.

 

I think they should make a watch-list for each position and update it at the beginning, middle third, second third and end of the season...and then provide a final list to vote from. Sounds like a lot of work, but there are so many media outlets these days (combined with the internet) that this would not be that difficult. You could even use the all-district/all-region teams...narrow it down with a vote and then post schedules and stats for the finalists.

 

Food for thought...now discuss!

 

 

 

Excellent post.

 

At this point, my feelings are that Collinsworth would win it over Rees MacShara and Antonio Andrews even though they will likely end up with better stats. Collinsworth has received far more statewide recognition than those two combined, and the voters know who he is so I would understand completely if he wins it over Rees or Antonio. I think it would take out of this world stats for Rees or Antonio to win. I think it'll be interesting to see how the race for Mr. Football shapes up because I have no doubt that, barring injury, Rees and Antonio may very well put up those out of this world stats.