April 3, 200917 yr I agree, it has a very impressive resume. Like I said before, I think he's shady. That's my opinion and I've had it for years, right or wrong, fair or unfair. I think most people, nationally, have that opinion of him. Maybe now that he is working in the state I'll see more of him and change my mind. I agree and I felt the same way. The more listen to him and pay attention to the way he does things, the more I like him.
April 3, 200917 yr I'm sorry, 35 years in between Death Penalty and "near" death penalty. The only major program to ever face such shame twice... Besides Hatz, you didn't want Rozier. He was very lazy and very overrated. Could not of played for Pitino. Your confusing me with someone who cares if Rozier came or not. I was just pointing out the story of how Pitino to my knowledge isn't one to skirt the rules. :thumb: As to the "Death Penalty" discussion maybe you are one that needs to read the LINK LC. I don't think you understand what happened in those years. The "Death Penalty" came out of the point shaving scandals, not out of proven NCAA infractions. The NCAA and Byars used UK as an example that they were in charge. From YOUR link: Shortly thereafter, an NCAA investigation turned up circumstantial evidence that suggested that players were being paid to play. Because the Kentucky program's enormous success was the envy of other programs that aspired to achieve elite status in college basketball, and because head coach Adolph Rupp had the program poised to become a dynasty that could possibly acquire monopoly-like power in college basketball, the NCAA fell under great pressure to act on the matter, even with less than convincing evidence. As a result, following immense pressure from other institutions, some of which even threatened to secede from the the NCAA altogether, the NCAA placed Kentucky's entire athletic program on probation for the 1952-53 school year and barred all of the school's teams from postseason play. Also, NCAA executive director Walter Byers pressured the NCAA's basketball-playing members into not scheduling Kentucky—effectively canceling the Wildcats' season.[1] The Wildcats were reduced to using brand-new Memorial Coliseum for intrasquad games. The Point Shaving scandals involved many people and on KY it was primarily Beard, Groza and Barnstable. They took money from gamblers. But the ensuing trials and witch hunts led to innocent people like Bill Spivey having their careers ruined. Spivey's only crime was knowing the defendents and refusing to testify against them. Despite the fact he passed a polygraph, Spivey was banned his Senior year (1952) and never given a chance to play in the NBA. If you're wondering what kind of loss it was, he bested the great Clyde Lovelette in their only meeing his Junior year in '51 by a wide margin. I think UK has a very dark past. However I think it should be accurately portrayed and not thrown out without the details discussed. Things were so bad in '88 - '89 that had the university not cooperated and conducted and even more thorough investigation than the NCAA, then they would have experience a "death penalty."
April 3, 200917 yr Author Just the first thing that showed up when I was looking for a link. Actually, I am a wiki fan though. Find something on the link that's inaccurate. Seriously, why are you denying the fact that it happened?:confused: I don't believe UK was given the death penalty. I believe it was just a one year ban from playing basketball. Even if it was a so called death penalty, what in the world does that have to do with Pitino having more violations that Calipari? :confused:
April 3, 200917 yr Your confusing me with someone who cares if Rozier came or not. I was just pointing out the story of how Pitino to my knowledge isn't one to skirt the rules. :thumb: As to the "Death Penalty" discussion maybe you are one that needs to read the LINK LC. I don't think you understand what happened in those years. The "Death Penalty" came out of the point shaving scandals, not out of proven NCAA infractions. The NCAA and Byars used UK as an example that they were in charge. From YOUR link: Shortly thereafter, an NCAA investigation turned up circumstantial evidence that suggested that players were being paid to play. Because the Kentucky program's enormous success was the envy of other programs that aspired to achieve elite status in college basketball, and because head coach Adolph Rupp had the program poised to become a dynasty that could possibly acquire monopoly-like power in college basketball, the NCAA fell under great pressure to act on the matter, even with less than convincing evidence. As a result, following immense pressure from other institutions, some of which even threatened to secede from the the NCAA altogether, the NCAA placed Kentucky's entire athletic program on probation for the 1952-53 school year and barred all of the school's teams from postseason play. Also, NCAA executive director Walter Byers pressured the NCAA's basketball-playing members into not scheduling Kentucky—effectively canceling the Wildcats' season.[1] The Wildcats were reduced to using brand-new Memorial Coliseum for intrasquad games. The Point Shaving scandals involved many people and on KY it was primarily Beard, Groza and Barnstable. They took money from gamblers. But the ensuing trials and witch hunts led to innocent people like Bill Spivey having their careers ruined. Spivey's only crime was knowing the defendents and refusing to testify against them. Despite the fact he passed a polygraph, Spivey was banned his Senior year (1952) and never given a chance to play in the NBA. If you're wondering what kind of loss it was, he bested the great Clyde Lovelette in their only meeing his Junior year in '51 by a wide margin. I think UK has a very dark past. However I think it should be accurately portrayed and not thrown out without the details discussed. Things were so bad in '88 - '89 that had the university not cooperated and conducted and even more thorough investigation than the NCAA, then they would have experience a "death penalty." I did read it, and that's what I said. One death penalty (from the link): The death penalty refers to the National Collegiate Athletic Association's (NCAA) power to force United States academic institutions not to compete in certain sports. It is the most severe punishment in athletics that a school can receive. It has only been implemented five times: 1.The University of Kentucky basketball program for the 1952-53 season 2.The basketball program at the University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) for the 1973-74 and 1974-75 seasons 3.The Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 season. 4.The college soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons. 5.The Division III MacMurray College Men's Tennis program for the 2006 and 2007 seasons and "near" death penalty once... Kentucky basketball (1986-1988) Ironically, the Kentucky basketball program nearly became the second program to receive the modern incarnation of the "death penalty". A 1986 investigation by the Lexington Herald-Leader, for which the authors would win a Pulitzer Prize, uncovered an extensive scheme of payments to Wildcat recruits. In 1988, Kentucky was reprimanded for not cooperating with the investigation..... :idunno:, don't understand what's confusing about that. It's what I said, it happend once and almost again.
April 3, 200917 yr I don't believe UK was given the death penalty. I believe it was just a one year ban from playing basketball. Even if it was a so called death penalty, what in the world does that have to do with Pitino having more violations that Calipari? :confused: Nothing, good point.:isurrender:
April 3, 200917 yr I did read it, and that's what I said. One death penalty (from the link): The death penalty refers to the National Collegiate Athletic Association's (NCAA) power to force United States academic institutions not to compete in certain sports. It is the most severe punishment in athletics that a school can receive. It has only been implemented five times: 1.The University of Kentucky basketball program for the 1952-53 season 2.The basketball program at the University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) for the 1973-74 and 1974-75 seasons 3.The Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 season. 4.The college soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons. 5.The Division III MacMurray College Men's Tennis program for the 2006 and 2007 seasons and "near" death penalty once... Kentucky basketball (1986-1988) Ironically, the Kentucky basketball program nearly became the second program to receive the modern incarnation of the "death penalty". A 1986 investigation by the Lexington Herald-Leader, for which the authors would win a Pulitzer Prize, uncovered an extensive scheme of payments to Wildcat recruits. In 1988, Kentucky was reprimanded for not cooperating with the investigation..... :idunno:, don't understand what's confusing about that. It's what I said, it happend once and almost again. Nothing confusing. Sometimes people throw out a term (death penalty) without getting all of the data and facts straight upon what "really" happened to warrant it. The above article you linked explained it had nothing to do with what seems to be described on this thread but dealt with a point shaving event(s) that had nothing to do with Rupp or the University. The truth is UK is no saint. However the '53 "death penalty" has as much to do with making UK an example and other factors than the actual infractions you might think. :thumb: I do find it funny though. When many UK fans point out the heritage from the 40's and 50's it is disregarded as "stone age" or "prehistoric," but it's okay to throw out the worst punishment the NCAA ever gave UK was in the early 50's. :lol: Can't throw those out.
April 3, 200917 yr Bottom Line NCAA Violations Rick Pitino- 8 John Calipari- 0 This is black and white. It seems to me that some want to change the subject of the thread to what UK did (RP and JVC had nothing to do with that), but the fact is Pitino 8 and Calipari 0. It does not matter that some think Calipari broke the rules with Camby what matters is the NCAA didn't see it that way. I don't know if he knew it or not and neither does anyone on here. For what it is worth I personally do not think Pitino would break any rules knowing he was doing it. I am a Pitino fan and most likely always will be.
April 3, 200917 yr Bottom Line NCAA Violations Rick Pitino- 8 John Calipari- 0 This is black and white. It seems to me that some want to change the subject of the thread to what UK did (RP and JVC had nothing to do with that), but the fact is Pitino 8 and Calipari 0. It does not matter that some think Calipari broke the rules with Camby what matters is the NCAA didn't see it that way. I don't know if he knew it or not and neither does anyone on here. For what it is worth I personally do not think Pitino would break any rules knowing he was doing it. I am a Pitino fan and most likely always will be. Good post, I agree.
April 3, 200917 yr Nothing confusing. Sometimes people throw out a term (death penalty) without getting all of the data and facts straight upon what "really" happened to warrant it. The above article you linked explained it had nothing to do with what seems to be described on this thread but dealt with a point shaving event(s) that had nothing to do with Rupp or the University. The truth is UK is no saint. However the '53 "death penalty" has as much to do with making UK an example and other factors than the actual infractions you might think. :thumb: I do find it funny though. When many UK fans point out the heritage from the 40's and 50's it is disregarded as "stone age" or "prehistoric," but it's okay to throw out the worst punishment the NCAA ever gave UK was in the early 50's. :lol: Can't throw those out. :thumb: I have noticed this some only want to count things when they where alive not before, such as UK NCAA National Titles. Myself I only count things in basketball after Naismith invented the game.
April 3, 200917 yr It's been reported that when UK contacted the NCAA about Calipari they received nothing but positive feedback, that's quite telling, but 8-0 is quite telling as well...
April 3, 200917 yr :thumb: I have noticed this some only want to count things when they where alive not before, such as UK NCAA National Titles. Myself I only count things in basketball after Naismith invented the game. I do believe that it is undeniable that there is a distinct era gap between the first four UK titles and the latter three. I have no problem with the distinction being made because the reality is that even as far back as 1960 on, and as recently as 1978 on, UK is still tied for #2 in titles. But yes, the argument to not count those titles as relevant today does come off rather weak when people then try to note the point shaving scandal. Either have both or neither. "Kentucky's Shame" though, very much fair game.
April 4, 200917 yr :thumb: I have noticed this some only want to count things when they where alive not before, such as UK NCAA National Titles. Myself I only count things in basketball after Naismith invented the game. I'm old enough to count a lot more than most on here I guess and it seems to show all the time.
April 4, 200917 yr It's been reported that when UK contacted the NCAA about Calipari they received nothing but positive feedback, that's quite telling, but 8-0 is quite telling as well... Pitino gave free McDonalds coupons to players while at Hawaii, he was an very young assistant coach doing the bidding of his boss. But if it makes you feel better about your deal with the devil...
April 4, 200917 yr Pitino gave free McDonalds coupons to players while at Hawaii, he was an very young assistant coach doing the bidding of his boss. But if it makes you feel better about your deal with the devil... Has John Calapari ever done that??
April 4, 200917 yr Pitino gave free McDonalds coupons to players while at Hawaii, he was an very young assistant coach doing the bidding of his boss. But if it makes you feel better about your deal with the devil... So...were the 8 infractions for giving coupons to 8 players? Or were there other incidents.
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