I sleep very well each night knowing the the team I cheer for is a team I chose to cheer for, not one that I inherited.

 

Honest question: What was it that led you to choose to cheer for Louisville?

I didn't say that when I was born was the beginning of time....it's just a point of reference....but in reality, I can't ENVY things that happened before I was born....

 

On a side note, when would you say the game most mirrored that as we know it now? the 60's, 70's?

 

I didn't say anything about today's game mirroring the 60's and 70's style ball played. I'm merely saying, if UK fans like the slogan, why criticize. They certainly have the tradition there, so just let it be. No you don't have to envy anything. I just think some people take that quote way to seriously.

You are bringing a part in that is way to much a stretch. It is like comparing Pro football players then and now. Baseball players then and now. Here again, not everyone was allowed to participate, so not a good guage. Ball parks were smaller, players were more out of shape. Players in the day played more positions than todays. Some leagues played 10 or 15 games compared to todays 40.

 

I would love to sit down and talk to Rupp & Wooden. If I were going to be blinded by an athletic past, UCLA's run would certainly be more impressive in my mind. But here again, only limited schools really participated in athletics. Not like todays. Louisville has a pretty rich history for an inner city school, as I understand it. So what? I was not around to see those games, those guys, thoses championships. Folks from another age had that enjoyment. I am enjoying now.

 

If you feel the need to push me down and stomp because you choose to bleed blue and I don't. You choose to whorship the past and I don't. You choose to laugh and clap and cheer when U of L, experience a failure, and I don't. Then keep on keepin on. I sleep very well each night knowing the the team I cheer for is a team I chose to cheer for, not one that I inherited.

 

 

Ever think that folks from KENTUCKY would like to cheer for a university that's named after the state? I'm a WKU fan because thats where I went to school. But I am a fan of UK as well because they represent the state of Kentucky, and have done it well throughout it's history. You think that Uconn fans inherit their team? There is no history there before '99. No... Uconn represents Connecticut, there for fans cheer for them.

Honest question: What was it that led you to choose to cheer for Louisville?

 

As a kid, I really did not care one way or the other. Honestly, I could take or leave either one. I was at a UL football game that a neighbor took me to, I met Denny Crum and he was very nice to me as a little 10 year old kid that had no idea who he was. I started paying more attention after that day. Also, when I told several of my friends that I met the UL coach, they laughed and made comments about UL not being any good and how many Championships UK had won and how UL would never be as good as UK.

 

I knew right then that I would be a fan of UL because it upset people for me to do so, and it was really fun to stir it up with them and walk away. I have since learned that even as adults, there are people that I can argue with and they go home and fume about what I've said and I go home not even remembering what I said.

 

No one in my family ever cared growing up. Before my dad died, he was a huge UL fan, So is mom and my brothers and sisters. No family member influences caused any of these folks to be UL fans. It just happened over time.

 

 

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As a kid, I really did not care one way or the other. Honestly, I could take or leave either one. I was at a UL football game that a neighbor took me to, I met Denny Crum and he was very nice to me as a little 10 year old kid that had no idea who he was. I started paying more attention after that day. Also, when I told several of my friends that I met the UL coach, they laughed and made comments about UL not being any good and how many Championships UK had won and how UL would never be as good as UK.

 

I knew right then that I would be a fan of UL because it upset people for me to do so, and it was really fun to stir it up with them and walk away. I have since learned that even as adults, there are people that I can argue with and they go home and fume about what I've said and I go home not even remembering what I said.

 

No one in my family ever cared growing up. Before my dad died, he was a huge UL fan, So is mom and my brothers and sisters. No family member influences caused any of these folks to be UL fans. It just happened over time.

 

 

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Alright, so why accuse UK fans of "inheriting" their fanhood. If your father were a huge UL fan then you inherited more from your family then I ever did...

The Death Penalty dismantles the ENTIRE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. UK was simply not allowed to have a basketball team that year. Thats it.

 

That's unture. The death penalty refers to a specific sport. SMU continued the have an athletic program after thet football program was shut down under the death penalty.

As a kid, I really did not care one way or the other. Honestly, I could take or leave either one. I was at a UL football game that a neighbor took me to, I met Denny Crum and he was very nice to me as a little 10 year old kid that had no idea who he was. I started paying more attention after that day. Also, when I told several of my friends that I met the UL coach, they laughed and made comments about UL not being any good and how many Championships UK had won and how UL would never be as good as UK.

 

I knew right then that I would be a fan of UL because it upset people for me to do so, and it was really fun to stir it up with them and walk away. I have since learned that even as adults, there are people that I can argue with and they go home and fume about what I've said and I go home not even remembering what I said.

 

No one in my family ever cared growing up. Before my dad died, he was a huge UL fan, So is mom and my brothers and sisters. No family member influences caused any of these folks to be UL fans. It just happened over time.

 

 

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:lol: :lol: What do you think this is? A Lakers/Clippers debate? I can assure you that no real UK is going to give you a hard time just because your an UL fan. I think your attitude towards UK fans give them the ammo.

A few observations:

 

As a kid, I really did not care one way or the other. Honestly, I could take or leave either one. I was at a UL football game that a neighbor took me to, I met Denny Crum and he was very nice to me as a little 10 year old kid that had no idea who he was. I started paying more attention after that day.

 

I can understand how those types of things make you a fan as a kid. I first became a FSU fan because I thought the Seminole coming out at the beginning of the game and planting a flaming spear in the ground was completely awesome, and they were my favorite ever since.

 

Also, when I told several of my friends that I met the UL coach, they laughed and made comments about UL not being any good and how many Championships UK had won and how UL would never be as good as UK.

 

I knew right then that I would be a fan of UL because it upset people for me to do so, and it was really fun to stir it up with them and walk away. I have since learned that even as adults, there are people that I can argue with and they go home and fume about what I've said and I go home not even remembering what I said.

 

I consider that sad that you would list as one of the major reasons you became a fan of a team was merely to upset other people. Sure, it's a reason, and it's your reason, but personally, I don't get satisfaction out of just saying things to get under another person's skin. That particular trait sheds a lot of light on the inflammatory nature of many of your posts.

 

No one in my family ever cared growing up. Before my dad died, he was a huge UL fan, So is mom and my brothers and sisters. No family member influences caused any of these folks to be UL fans. It just happened over time.

 

I fail to understand how you reconcile your statement of no one caring with your subsequent statements of EVERYONE in your family caring, but fine.

 

 

Let me describe to you how I first became a UK fan. I suppose you could deem it inherited. The first UK basketball game I watched, I was 7 years old. It was the first televised Kentucky game in over a year due to the probation, and was the last year of probation for UK. My father is a UK fan, which is why I was watching it at all, because I was watching it with him. That year I watched many games, and some of my favorite players that I've ever seen were on that team. The Unforgettables. Reggie Hanson. Jamal Mashburn. They were a team I enjoyed watching, and I enjoyed watching the games with my father, and I was hooked ever since. Partially, you could say it was inherited since my father was a fan, and I later realized each set of my grandparents were as well (My mother and sisters could care less about sports in general). But it's not like I was told one day "You are a Kentucky fan because we are Kentucky fans." Had I not liked the team, I would have rejected them, as I did the Cincinnati Reds, a team my father and grandparents root for. I enjoyed watching the team, and in addition they were an in-state team, and usually when the chips are down, I'll root for any in-state team, a quality I recognize many do not share, but many do.

 

But because I was partially influenced to be a UK fan by the fact that my father was, does that somehow make your rooting interest better than mine? I flatly reject that notion. And I easily reject the notion that your rooting interests are better than many here when you say that one of the major reasons you even care is that you simply want to get under others' skin. It's one thing for some to have fun poking at the fans of the opposing program (such as Jim Schue admittedly does [first name that popped in my head that's said that], but I assume he became a fan before he found that particular joy), it's another to make that a basis of being a fan in the first place.

Alright, so why accuse UK fans of "inheriting" their fanhood. If your father were a huge UL fan then you inherited more from your family then I ever did...

 

I did not say my father was a huge UL fan when I was a kid. I said that my family had no thoughts one way or the other. By the time my dad died, well after I became a UL fan, he was a huge UL fan.

Well, to be honest, the way we know it now is from 1987 to today. Before then there was no shot clock and no 3 point line. (Actually shot clock was in '86)

 

So does that mean:

 

1982 UNC isn't all it is because the game is different?

 

1972 UCLA

1968 UCLA

1976 IU

 

would not really be worth mentioning?

 

If you mean that the game has changed in terms of African American's playing, how far back is the line?

 

You see San Francisco won 2 straight in '55 and '56 with Bill Russell and KC Jones. Do we discount those?

 

UK beat Temple and Seattle to win in '58 and those teams were led by Guy Rogers and Elgin Baylor. Does that make the cut?

 

Cincinnati and Loyola of Chicago won with a preponderance of African American players from '61 to '63. What about them?

 

 

I hear what you are saying Rock but to only shade line within one's lifetime is too narrow a scope to be very accurate in assessment.

 

Again, I am not discounting UK's history, but the fact that I wasn't around for what was really their glory days, makes it impossible for me to "envy" their past, or in reality to be enamored by it either.

A few observations:

 

I consider that sad that you would list as one of the major reasons you became a fan of a team was merely to upset other people. Sure, it's a reason, and it's your reason, but personally, I don't get satisfaction out of just saying things to get under another person's skin. That particular trait sheds a lot of light on the inflammatory nature of many of your posts.

 

As I said, all I did was turn the tables on them. They did not handle it as well as I did. So by enjoying the giving them the same medicine that they were giving me is wrong because it upsets them more than what they say upsets me?

 

I am an antagonist. I enjoy a good pot stirring argument. When I walk away it is over. Most of my IK friends will come back to me even 3 or 4 days later to continue or try to dispell and I could have cared less during that same period. I am wrong alot, so?

 

 

I fail to understand how you reconcile your statement of no one caring with your subsequent statements of EVERYONE in your family caring, but fine.

 

 

I said when I was a kid, not one went to games, watched games, owned shirts or hats. No one in my family cheered for anyone in particular. Over time they all grew into UL fans. All I was saying that during my formative years, there were no family influences in who I would choose to root for.

 

 

Over my lifetime I have been told that I should be a UK fan because of this or that. I have been force fed information on the superiority of UK and the failures that are UL. On this board you can write stuff that is designed to antagonize an opposing fan base, but folks get upset when some one does not cowl down to their superiority.

 

You can feel sorry for me all you want. But I sleep at night and give no thoughts to this once I leave work and go home for the night. I did not give a seconds thought to anything that I said or anyone said to me all week-end when I did not live to check my BGP account. However, if what I say or do causes someone to talk about with others or makes them stew until they can confront me again, I think that is kind of fun.

 

Just like most of the folks here do not agree with my opinion, I don't agree with theirs. SO? What makes your opinion more right than mine? Nothing. What makes my opinion more right than yours? Nothing.

 

Keep on Smiling!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

You can feel sorry for me all you want. But I sleep at night and give no thoughts to this once I leave work and go home for the night. I did not give a seconds thought to anything that I said or anyone said to me all week-end when I did not live to check my BGP account. However, if what I say or do causes someone to talk about with others or makes them stew until they can confront me again, I think that is kind of fun.

 

I don't feel sorry for you at all. I said I thought your motivation was sad, not the same as saying I feel sorry for you. Your motivations are your motivations, I gave you my thoughts on them, told you mine, and asked why you viewed your rooting interest as superior because you did not inherit them at all (a fact you implied), a question you did not answer.

As I said, all I did was turn the tables on them. They did not handle it as well as I did. So by enjoying the giving them the same medicine that they were giving me is wrong because it upsets them more than what they say upsets me?

 

I am an antagonist. I enjoy a good pot stirring argument. When I walk away it is over. Most of my IK friends will come back to me even 3 or 4 days later to continue or try to dispell and I could have cared less during that same period. I am wrong alot, so?

 

 

I fail to understand how you reconcile your statement of no one caring with your subsequent statements of EVERYONE in your family caring, but fine.

 

 

I said when I was a kid, not one went to games, watched games, owned shirts or hats. No one in my family cheered for anyone in particular. Over time they all grew into UL fans. All I was saying that during my formative years, there were no family influences in who I would choose to root for.

 

 

Over my lifetime I have been told that I should be a UK fan because of this or that. I have been force fed information on the superiority of UK and the failures that are UL. On this board you can write stuff that is designed to antagonize an opposing fan base, but folks get upset when some one does not cowl down to their superiority.

 

You can feel sorry for me all you want. But I sleep at night and give no thoughts to this once I leave work and go home for the night. I did not give a seconds thought to anything that I said or anyone said to me all week-end when I did not live to check my BGP account. However, if what I say or do causes someone to talk about with others or makes them stew until they can confront me again, I think that is kind of fun.

 

Just like most of the folks here do not agree with my opinion, I don't agree with theirs. SO? What makes your opinion more right than mine? Nothing. What makes my opinion more right than yours? Nothing.

 

Keep on Smiling!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

 

Sad really. I'll just have to consider the source I guess. See ya.

It's one thing for some to have fun poking at the fans of the opposing program (such as Jim Schue admittedly does [first name that popped in my head that's said that], but I assume he became a fan before he found that particular joy), it's another to make that a basis of being a fan in the first place.

 

It took a while before I found out how fightin' mad UK fans would get when prodded. It certainly makes things more fun.

It took a while before I found out how fightin' mad UK fans would get when prodded. It certainly makes things more fun.

 

How is that different than me? I'm with Shue!

 

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